Posts by ablebodiedman

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Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

by leaving_quietly in

wtbts published a new article on jw.org (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/) entitled "what does bible chronology indicate about the year 1914?

" in it, it points to daniel 4 as the prophecy and uses the same leaps of insane logic to get from the first and only fulfillment of that prophecy to 1914, using 607 as the starting point and 2,520 years as doubling the 1,260 years in revelation.

of course, there is no accounting for the difference in our solar years and the bible's lunar years, which makes the math have a very different outcome.

ablebodiedman

I am convinced that the most important thing to take away from Daniel Chapter 4 is this statement:

Daniel 4:30

"Is not this Babylon the Great, that I myself have built for the royal house with the strength of my might and for the dignity of my majesty?"

Immediately after saying this Neb·u·chad·nez´zar was helped to understand who it was that set up Babylon the Great.

Having learned such a hard lesson from the bible then who do you think set up the "Babylon the Great" in the Book of Revelation?

Having an answer to that question now helps the reader to better understand what Daniel 2:44 is trying to tell us.

What was the last kingdom that God "set up" ( about 2000 years ago) and who is king of that kingdom?

So what is the next and final kingdom that will not be ruined?

Daniel 2:44

　"And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;

Yes, Daniel Chapter 4 trashes almost every Christian doctrine out there, including the WTBTS!

abe

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Jehovah is the correct uttering of God's name

by mistified in

jw
friends

i heard my witness friend that if the name jehovah is the incorrect pronounciation from the hebrew scriptures, then jeremiah is the incorrect way to say jeremiah's name.

i wonder if this is true, because if it is, that would make jws the true religion.

right?.

ablebodiedman

Here is a video about a book written by a Jewish Scholar who found all the jots and titles in the tetragrammation while translating an ancient text and so therefore can pronounce the name:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TN1B1V2-_g

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abe

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No Satan

by jgnat in

that was one of the first of the prepackaged beliefs from my church that i let fall.. why?.

because i'd stared evil in the face and lived to tell about it.

i know it's textures, it's dark places, the feel, smell, perversion, degradation, corruption of it.

ablebodiedman

Also Satan's attempts to tempt Jesus mirrored his work in the Garden showing that he repeatedly uses the same tactics.

Millions Now Living Will Never Die.

They positively will not die.

2 Corinthians 11:3

　But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, YOUR minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ.

HHHhhmmm

Whose minds are corrupted?

abe

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The Memorial campaign: What question from a householder would have made you think?

by Faithful Witness in

i know that soon, the jws in our area will be out in full force, on their hit and run campaign with invitations to the memorial.

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did you ever encounter a householder during this campaign, that made you stop and think about what you were doing?

ablebodiedman

Same as above, when they tell you that only a select group of self important men partake, ask them for their definition of "anyone".

and show them this verse right out of their own NWT:

John 6:50-51

This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that anyone may eat of it and not die. 51 　I am the living bread that came down from heaven; if anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and, for a fact, the bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world."

abe

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The Memorial campaign: What question from a householder would have made you think?

by Faithful Witness in

i know that soon, the jws in our area will be out in full force, on their hit and run campaign with invitations to the memorial.

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did you ever encounter a householder during this campaign, that made you stop and think about what you were doing?

ablebodiedman

How about this:

Do Jehovah's Witnesses all go to a "memorial" at a Kingdom Hall instead of staying in their own house because they have NOT heard Jesus Christs voice?

Then ask for their NWT and turn to this verse:

Revelation 3:19-20

　"‘All those for whom I have affection I reprove and discipline. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 　Look! I am standing at the door and knocking. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into his [house] and take the evening meal with him and he with me.

When they start telling you about how just a select group of self important men partake you could also ask them what the definition of "anyone" is and after they answer use the same verse above.

abe

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1914 - "A Turning Point In History"?

by Bobcat in

the february 2014 public wt has a cover series of articles dealing with world war i, and by inference 1914. the articles describe wwi as 'causing the world to be changed' and as "a turning point in history.".

setting the wt's defective 1914 chronology aside for a minute, how do these statements about wwi coincide with the view of the nt?.

certainly wwi was a big war.

ablebodiedman

Bobcat,

My understanding of John 12:31 is that Jesus Christ is talking about an event that would occur shortly (his crucifiction and ressurection).

Prior to that event the possibility of judging the world and especially Satan did not exist in a righteous way.

That event would "now" make that possible.

Yes, thats a different kind of "now".

But hey, from looking at the rest of your post it looks like our personal convictions are very different.

I just wanted people on this forum to have an opportunity to see why 1914 is a valid "turning point in history" especially in regard to both Satan and Jesus Christ.

I invite them to watch the video through the link I posted above.

abe

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1914 - "A Turning Point In History"?

by Bobcat in

the february 2014 public wt has a cover series of articles dealing with world war i, and by inference 1914. the articles describe wwi as 'causing the world to be changed' and as "a turning point in history.".

setting the wt's defective 1914 chronology aside for a minute, how do these statements about wwi coincide with the view of the nt?.

certainly wwi was a big war.

ablebodiedman

wantingtruth,

Yes, I know my convictions regarding 1914 trouble you, especially when we can agree on almost everything else.

I already know your thoughts on these 1914 matters. Your interpretations have not convinced me because I see no logical explanation or evidence.

The most significant thing we most definitely agree on is the Name of the Wild beast and the calculation of its number!

Thank you for helping me understand how to do the calculation.

Hope you have shared that in this forum.

I know that I have.

Greetings Rus.

abe

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1914 - "A Turning Point In History"?

by Bobcat in

the february 2014 public wt has a cover series of articles dealing with world war i, and by inference 1914. the articles describe wwi as 'causing the world to be changed' and as "a turning point in history.".

setting the wt's defective 1914 chronology aside for a minute, how do these statements about wwi coincide with the view of the nt?.

certainly wwi was a big war.

ablebodiedman

Bobcat,

I can completely agree that Jesus Christ is king of his kingdom and that all authority was given him upon his ressurection.

A king can still sit on his throne and wait.

A time period for this "waiting" can still be applied to a person who is already a king.

Your quoting this verse above however, suggests that you think period "C" has already started as well:

(John 12:31, 32) . . . Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And yet I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw men of all sorts to me.

If you don't think the judging has already started then you need to consider how you are interpreting the word "now" in the scripture.

I am convinced that Satan's casting out of heaven occured not long before 1914 and is the evidence I looked for (and found) in order to determine the veracity of 1914 as being a historic turning point.

The reason why I beleive it was shortly before is because of what Revelation 12 says:

"Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!

Because is underlined as it suggests the casting out has to happen first. (befor 1914?)

The Watchtower magazines however say that the "casting out" happened AFTER 1914 so I started out already having differences of opinion to the WTBTS.

I resolved all the controversy over the 1914 date in my own mind by using a very unique method to search for evidence I felt MUST be somewhere in the public record if 1914 had any veracity at all. Thankfully it was at a time when google had just become available and searches through the "public record" had become possible for anyone with a computer and Internet connection. Prior to that I do not think my method would have been feasable.

All this I did while still being considered a JW in "good standing".

I discuss it in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKjvInShZQ

abe

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1914 - "A Turning Point In History"?

by Bobcat in

the february 2014 public wt has a cover series of articles dealing with world war i, and by inference 1914. the articles describe wwi as 'causing the world to be changed' and as "a turning point in history.".

setting the wt's defective 1914 chronology aside for a minute, how do these statements about wwi coincide with the view of the nt?.

certainly wwi was a big war.

ablebodiedman

So where does WWI and 1914 fit into this depiction of human history?

It is my conviction that 1914 is yet another turning point prior to "C" and yet after "B".

When Jesus Christ was ressurrected this happened:

Psalm 110:1-2

The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is:

"Sit at my right hand

Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."

　 2 　The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, [saying:]

"Go subduing in the midst of your enemies."

Jesus Christ "sits" for a period of time.

There comes and end to that period of time as directly stated in the scripture above:

"Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."

I believe the "sitting" stopped when this scripture in Revelation Chapter 12 was fulfilled:

Revelation 12:10-12

"Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11 　And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12 　On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time."

"because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down" - "Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."

The significance of 1914 is that Jesus Christ is no longer "sitting".

So 1914 "fits" after period "B" and yet we are still before period "C".

A scriptural milestone happens in between the two periods you indicated.

The Apostle Paul also acknowledged this milestone event that was to happen in the future:

Hebrews 10:12-13

　But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, 13 　from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet.

So yes, 1914 is "A Turning Point In History"

Jesus Christ is no longer "waiting".

abe

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A Hard Question For Jehovah Witnesses To Answer

by TheNurseInBlack in

which teachings did jesus/god approve when considering jehovah witnesses?.

"since jehovah god and jesus christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?

watchtower 2009 feb 15 p.27 how do we know that god and jesus christ trust them completly?

ablebodiedman

See if you can determine who the REAL CHRISTIANS are in this video mashup which includes statements from actual Governing Body members:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe-Rpt-Fspg

After all, a "Christian" is someone who obeys Jesus Christ .......................... right?

abe