Reniaa - you missed the point. This is not about the "apocrypha". If anything this is about too many books in the canon not too few. Christianity would be a better religion if Jesus words as quoted in the Synoptic Gospels were followed. The history of the Greek Scriptures is this - the very first list ever that has the 27 books we use today was written in 367AD! not 100, not 200, not 300. 334 years after Jesus died. These books were selected by people you believe are "apostates". People who in 325AD decided Jesus was God. Why do you trust them to pick your bible books for you?
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Bible Canon
by allelsefails inhas anyone done any personal research on how the bible canon was selected?
i am putting together an article on this and would like whatever insight anyone would care to give.
preferably historical references that are verifiable.
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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I am free! I can post again. Now 100 at a time no more 10/24hr rule. Yeh me. I would love it if Scholar would answer my questions directly with any sense. Having given up on this it is safe to say: ..... 1) There is no scriptural connection between "70 years" and the "Gentile times" or Nebs 7 years of insanity. (unless you say "obviously there is" then of course that can't be argued with) .... 2) The arguements against this are nonense and Scholar has proven to me better than anyone else ever has that the WTS has no facts to back it up, just "trust us we're the FDS". No one agrees with us, but thats OK because we rely on Real research only when it benefits our position and ignore it the rest of the time.
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Bible Canon
by allelsefails inhas anyone done any personal research on how the bible canon was selected?
i am putting together an article on this and would like whatever insight anyone would care to give.
preferably historical references that are verifiable.
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Wild fact - the very first list that has the 27 books used today as NT Scripture was in 367 AD! (And that did not have the same list of OT books) That is the most stunning fact I found Catholic Churches had already decided Jesus=GOD before they ever decided what the Chiristian bible was. Good stuff.
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Hi I hope i am welcome
by cantleave inhi guys and gals,.
i am a hypocryte.
brought up in the "truth" but know its not.
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You are so welcome here.........As a former elder and one who is still "in" I know the pain of living the "double life". If you don't mind a suggestion for "family study" I suggest actual "bible study" that is - studying the original Greek and different translations and commentaries - not sticking to Watchtower publications. It is easy to justify if you find a quote from a Watchtower publication and decide to look at the actual book they are quoting from to see the information. You will begin to slowly show your family how the WTS mis-quotes sources and has no real support in research materials. Use different translations too and when the New World Translation is way off do some research on why and you'll show your children what they need to know without being an "apostate".
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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We haven't even slammed Scholar with the WTS own info on the reigns of Babylonian Monarch's. (quotes available upon request)....... ..... Babylon fell 539 B.C..... Plus Nabonidus 17 years ....... Plus Labashi-Marduk 1 year .... Plus Neriglissar 4 years ..... Plus Evil-Merodach 2 years .... Plus Nebuchadnezzar 43 years ..... Equals start of Nebuchadnezzar's reign 606 B.C. .... Minus Nebuchadnezzar's 19th year .... Date for Destruction 587 B.C. .......... Since the rule of kings take us back only as far as 587 where does the Watchtower add the additional 20 years. They move the rulership by each King back 20 years, and then extend Nabonidus' reign by 20 years. ...... For the Watchtower timeline to be correct Nabonidus needs to have ruled for 36 years, yet the Society admits archaeologists determine he only ruled for 17 years. ..... Watchtower 1968 August 15 p. 491 "Other investigators say this: "The Nabunaid Chronicle . . . states that Sippar fell to Persian forces VII/14/17 [Footnotes]"VII/14/17": The 7th Hebrew month Tishri, 14th day, 17th year of Nabonidus' reign. (Oct. 10, 539), that Babylon fell VII/16/17 (Oct. 12), and that Cyrus entered Babylon VIII/3/17 (Oct. 29). This fixes the end of Nabunaid's reign and the beginning of the reign of Cyrus." I asked about this qoute from Josephus earlier, but got no response. "Nebuchadnezzar, in the eighteenth year of his reign, laid our temple desolate, and so it lay in that state of obscurity for fifty years; but that in the second year of the reign of Cyrus its foundations were laid, and it was finished again in the second year of Darius." (Against Apion Book I, Chapter 21)
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The Case for Unitarianism
by UnDisfellowshipped in* the bible teaches that there is only one true god, only one person who is almighty god, and this one person is the father.
(see john 17:3; john 5:37, 5:44; john 8:54; isaiah 63:15-16; malachi 1:6; 1st corinthians 8:6; ephesians 4:6).
(john 5:19-20; 5:30; 8:28; 12:49).
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Thanks for your obvious hard work to answer my questions. I agree the to the point that John 16:14 AND 15 point strongly to the duality of Father and Son, however it still does not say "given everything he received". John 16:14-15 (NASB): "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. "All things that the Father has are Mine; [all things the father have belong to Jesus] therefore I said that He takes of Mine [not everything, not the name, not specified at all] and will disclose it to you." It does NOT say HE (spirit) takes everything that is mine, it says He takes of (or from) what is mine. As far as the Son having all authority and power of the Father - no problem to accept that. As I said The Father gives it to the Son! That explains the relationship perfectly. The Father has it all by himself, but decides to share authority, power, abilities, knowledge, etc.. with his Son. This fits perfectly with the illustration of Father and Son. Father gives to Son life, training, inheritance, abilities, nowledge, wisdom ...... Son gives to Father obedience, worship, honor. (You don't need the references - right?)Can the Son be equal to the Father? in power - yes, in knowledge - yes, in abilities - yes. Are they the same person? NO ...... I will pray and study on your other thoughts here about John 10 vs. 17 having different context. Obviously the context of a scripture is essential to understand it, but I do see the use of the same words and phrases in the same book to be a connecting factor to use in interpretation (chapters were divided up later. Thanks again for your comments.
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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Scholar - you should realize that non-JW scholar would mean non Russellite/pyamidologist scholar as well. The fact that the list you gave us is so ridiculous just undermines your position even more (if you could undermine something that has already collapsed). Please try again on the scholarly support of 607.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-28-09 WT Study (GREATER MOSES)
by blondie inthe bible that were never in the bible.
inspired christian greek scriptures in various places.
"the christ"?.
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Thanks for the post. Awesome critique. One thing - para 16 - JWs recently changed their ideas (again) on these subjects "babies" killed in the flood, Sodom and Gomorroah could be ressurected, and Armageddon..... they just believe Jehovah will be "Just and loving". Their reasoning is meaningless - nothing scriptural of course, but it has changed. Thanks alot for the post.
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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AllTimeJeff - Everytime I read your posts it is the voice of Colbert in my head. Awesome pic there.
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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Scholar is awesome. I thought it would be impossible to keep rambling inane references in the light of actual logic, facts, and reasoning. He has proven me so wrong. It is possible to keep rambling inane references in the light of actual logic, facts, and reasoning even for a month! The thing that made me realize the "scholarship" of the WTS was not scholarship at all was to look at how often they used nonsense reasoning. You can see it clearly in Scholars posts. Saying something is "obvious", "clear", "evident" about a text does not make it so. What is "obvious", "clear", "evident" to me is not to you. I have ideas about what scriptures actually mean, but I would never claim my understanding is the "one and only truth". Also to see the lack of quotes supporting Scholar's position is embarrassing to all JW's. Again the WTS does the same thing misquotes scholars to support its position and then say all other scholars can be rejected because they disagree with the bible. I am still waiting just like Jeff for a non-JW scholarly support of 607.