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BadBettie
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BadBettie
When you are disfellowshipped you don't get a study buddy. You aren't to discuss spiritual things with any members of the hall/faith except for the conversations you have with elders. If you were capable of answering the questions prior to baptism you should be capable of at least studying yourself. Depending on if you did something bad or if you questioned what you were taught the course you would take would differ.
If you have questions about teachings there should be an elder to assist you. We had a fellow with Aspergers in our hall that had a lot of "apostate driven" questions and they charged a brother with helping him along. He was not DF'ed though, he was to be converted in which admittedly in our hall had more effort put into it than recovering lost ones. Asking for help may be difficult but you will never find out what they want from you until you ask what is required of you to return to the congregation.
You become reinstated by admitting whatever you did to get DF'ed was wrong and be genuinely apoligetic about it. You will also have to show that you are trying to intake spiritual food by attending meetings on a regular basis (every single one that you can).
Sometimes if you disagree with the elders on if the event occured you may be stuck. My relatives that kept trying to get reinstated didn't until they were actually dying from a disease and their mother begged the elders. The people had written letters and went to most meetings and even assemblies but it was not enough.
So basically you can't expect to find a place full of DF'ed people trying to get back on track, because if they really want to do it accoring to the WTS way, they cant talk about it. That is the understanding here. You receive encouragement through being at the hall and learning what is presented there as it is apparently from god.
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Did You Ever Tell Someone They Smelled?
by minimus ini was "assigned" by the body of elders to talk to a pioneer/ministerial servant about his b o. he didn't have a car and so was always put in someone's car group.
everyone complained about having to take him.. when i talked to him about his stink, he got very very offended and copped an attitude.
i finally told him that unless he started bathing and washing his disgusting oily hair, he would be removed from his assignments.....what i never understood is how anybody could be told that they actually smelled and yet get pissed off with me!.
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BadBettie
In god's organization people are supposed to be clean in every way, but sadly that was not the case where I come from.One KM even went as far as saying you shouldn't have strong food odors on your clothes when you arrive at the meeting!
A mild one first. One sister, and later others would eat several cloves of garlic before each meeting as it helped "boost immunity", I don't know about that but it kept people away for a 5-10 seat radius. The rest roasted their garlic in such a manner you couldn't tell at all, and they chewed gum which some older sisters scold most for, but not them as it was the PO and his lady.
The others were people that simply neglected to wash their butt crack properly and would sweat in service, and have it then go into their insufficiently cleaned arse, and you could smell it from far away, unbearable in the car, regardless of offenders weight. As someone who has dated an obese person at one point, I can tell you it is not an excuse at all, and it isn't limited to that. I understand some people can't reach or have difficulty but if you know you have a frequent issue with your butt it may be good to take measures to get it corrected one way or another.
Also children sent to the bathroom alone at the hall would sometimes play with their feces and put it in the sanitary napkin boxes when done (this was boys over 6 that for some reason were allowed to go alone but only in the womens bathroom). This led to them and the entire bathroom reeking the whole meeting just because Mom couldn't be arsed to take little Stevey to the bathroom during the announcements. I only know this because I used to take care of infants belonging to relatives and you get to see all the f'ed up bathroom behavior of the people there if you happen to be changin a diaper or even just getting a drink.
Some mothers were really abusive about getting their kids to pee to the point of threatening a spanking if they had to go during a talk as oposed to the song even if they didn't have to go then. Thats just the surface. It may actually be a topic for another thread..........
In fact in our hall women had boys as old as 11 in the ladies room. WTF? I guess maybe they know about someone I don't? (I should my Dad is a bad elder when it comes to nasty secrets like that and tells us anyway)
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PRIVATE PROPERTY! KEEP OUT!
by highdose inhow many times have we all seen that sign in the minstry?
also " no salesman" , " no harkers" etc.
in my congo it was the policy to ignore these completly, the poor people who just wanted to be left alone never had a chance.. i on the otherhand used to use it as an exhuse to fast forward on to the next house and finish up the ministry quicker.... what was your experiance?.
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BadBettie
I should point out too swe didn't always have a lot of those signs. Out here they used to get BIG dogs that were over 80lbs to scare witnesses off, but witnesses then discovered the legal non weapon that scares the crap out of any guard dog...the umbrella.
I'd tell pet owners to try this at home but good greif, don't do it, your dog will be a shaking pissing wreck for about 5-10 minutes. I would NEVER do this. I have seen someone do it though and I was embarrassed and hoped nobody would be home.
It's rather simple:
1.See dog
2.Open Umbrella
3.???
4. Profit!
The only bad thing is, if you do get someone home, they will ask you what the hell you did to their dog. This will often result in a do not call anyway.
Only once was someone bitten and it was by a small terrier that refused to take no for an answer. A kid almost got hurt that time too. Crazy backwoods service! That isn't even mentioning the time they let someones horses out because they didn't close the gate! That is sometimes why private property signs are kept up, not just to keep people out, but to assure animals won't be let out.
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PRIVATE PROPERTY! KEEP OUT!
by highdose inhow many times have we all seen that sign in the minstry?
also " no salesman" , " no harkers" etc.
in my congo it was the policy to ignore these completly, the poor people who just wanted to be left alone never had a chance.. i on the otherhand used to use it as an exhuse to fast forward on to the next house and finish up the ministry quicker.... what was your experiance?.
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BadBettie
I tell the building manager because they will press buzzers with a request to get in until someone actually does. Theres a big no soliciting sign outside. You may not be "selling " anything but it costs time and your life!
Woods is spot on with the Bea Arthur comparison. I actually as a child thought she would play the perfect self righteous witness. I think it is funny someone else sees that.
Witnesses here did that and when called on tresspassing would say "Oh well tresspassing implies we have no business here or are up to no good, what we are actually doing, as we are with the rest of your neighbors, is sharing a thought from the bible!"
I actually remember one sister basically called someone a wimp for not going to a door with a no trespassing sign and instead writing a letter. This caused the letter writer to be pretty upset in general and soon to avoid working with the sister she stopped coming out during the week, which was lame because she was a nice levele headed (not pushy rude or condescending) person and I liked working with her.
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Reverse Engineering the WTS CD ROM
by besty inhas anyone ever done this?.
would be cool to be able to run custom searches like the overall incidence of certain words or scriptures on an annual basis.
i'm sure smarter than me could come up with some handy uses..... thoughts?.
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BadBettie
If anyone is actually still interested let me know what kind of program you want. Do you want a word counter? or something more complex? Throw out some features and I will see what can be done.
It is probably possible to make little programs that work with it as opposed to messing too too much with the actual program. I was up talking with my spouse about it last night and he says it would probably not be too hard we just gotta take a look at it. I am getting my CD in the next day or so (likely tonight), so if anyone has a suggestion I could see if we can make it so!
I want to help so badly because not only would this help me to reverse some of that preaching time I gave to WTS, but it would be a nice activity for me and my guy to work on. I never thought to try it!
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Asking for money at the hall.
by GapingMouth ini don't go to the meetings anymore for i am fading, but a short while ago something happened in a meeting i'd never seen in my entire life as a jw.
the local needs discussed the fact that the local branch had bought a new kh for a whopping 1 million euros.
that's insane, but not the part that got me.
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BadBettie
Our hall was built for about 2 mill CDN. After a donation from a passed brother and a loan from the society, we were told how much we could donate a month and for how many months to equal a payment. We were told a few different tiers of donations as we had both very wealthy and quite poor brothers in our hall and then they left it at that so one could choose their donation. No promise needed to be made.
It was stated as: So the cost would be approx ___ to each publisher a month all in favor? All opposed?
Only once someone opposed and he was later shamed into feeling bad about it by a sister in the hall that felt it was her business to "tease/razz it our of him". She did and the brothers reason was a good one but he still felt bad for opposing.
That is why people don't put their hand up for opposed probably...
If the system above was done with no names on the slips just a "write a number put it in the box, nobody is looking" I can see that working (hey you need an idea of the income in the case you do rebuild..I guess its a sort of interest check if you will) and nobody can tell who it is unless someone is obsessed enough to compare it to field service reports..... if they do that and call someone on it...they really are out to lunch.
Really though, the society doesnt pay tax on any of those books they get donations for and when people die they leave a lot of money to them so they should have enough to run their own religion at least in regards to making new buildings. We had to clean them so carefully so they would last longer, you'd think they would invest in their people's faith building environment especially if thats how they get money back (by books and donations from people that are just there nevermind giving for building)
As for income, there is one hall in BC that makes several thousand a year via a cell tower on their lot. It has multiple providers renting at several thousand a year. It was okay because "It would have been in the neighborhood anyway, and we were the only people to take advantage of that opportunity". Wow I bet they are popular when they try to go door to door around the people that live by the hall!
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DNS & DOS Attacks And Actual Hijacking Of wt's Site
by Tired of the Hypocrisy inmaybe this has been covered before but i am wondering if there have been any serious domain name system (dns) or denial of service (dos)attacks or actual hijacking hacks made against the tower's web site.
i was reading a post about how to add comments on the wt web site.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/180536/1/huge-development-concerning-watchtower-org-and-apostate-comments.
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BadBettie
DDOSing is not worth the trouble you would get yourself in for even suggesting such a thing. When a certain group was in protest of Scientology the Scientology site was DDOSed to the point of crashing, but the people that were doing that were organised in several corners of the internet, had been protecting their identities through various means (Good Luck! I'm behind seven proxies! [its a joke]), and then there was a followup of worldwide protest after there was a ton of attention on the issue in addition to harassing different locations of the church.
I was actually in a lot of the temporary "anon" IRC's during this time and it's not as effective as even those groups like to think unless you have a "more than ready to overreact" type of target. WTS would probably only complain internally for the most part and not try to fight back in the desired way (depending on if you are indeed thinking of mimicking a similar event). Scientologists were targeted specifically because of the ways they react to opposition which I will not go into here.
What you would have to ask yourself if you were planning on doing such a thing is "will anyone give a darn?' and "Will it give them more fodder to cry that they are being persecuted?", which some almost enjoy it seems.
There are other ways to manipulate the internet in your favour, with no legal implications.
I'd give you an accounting of how these things go, sadly for the sake of sharing, most of the archived history of these events are on sites with lots of NSFW and offensive material. I did however find the consequences of the DDoSer's actions with some info on the other tactics that they used (black faxes etc). http://news.softpedia.com/news/Hacker-Charged-for-Cyber-Attacks-Against-the-Church-of-Scientology-96009.shtml
The best way to expose someone, is by telling the truth without exaggeration and showing evidence. It often will speak louder and prevent your target whoever they may be from making themslves a victim. It also saves you fines and jail time.
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Questions From Readers Nov 15th 2009
by dozy inthe latest flip-flop (allbeit a minor one.).
the "wise instruction" (as described by the society) given is that sisters now have to wear head coverings when interpreting sign language public talks.. differs from the previous instructions that sisters didn't need to do so.. .
w02 7/15p.27 questions from readers.
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BadBettie
Does anyone remember the KM (or wt?) on women that couldnt find a scarf so in one case they used a diaper and in another a plastic bag?
We often didn't have the brothers show up to do their turn on the group during the week (must suck to be sick on the same day every week which is oddly a meeting day that is attended by the person who was "sick" [If you dont want the job theres people waiting]) so there was always a hassle over who had to pray and who wore the scarf. My sister started to carry one in her purse it got so bad.
One day we couldn't find one and all the women were looking through their purses to find something and the article came up every time someone suggested something like a magazine or tissue. I never carried a purse so I was useless and eventually the sisters (not me) got in a fight and no prayer was said (WTFudge?). Finally our driver drove 2 blocks to her house, got a scarf and said a prayer. I liked that lady. Shes the only one that never made me nervous from mistrust out of our regular pioneers.
Once again though that diaper article is within the last decade I'm sure. I need to get my Watchtower library CD. I havent seen it since I moved. I guess I can ask for a new one.... I keep getting books and magazines and have nowhere to keep them.
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Any Special Meetings a the Kingdom Halls this Week?
by I quit! inthe reason i ask is that my wife has her combo bookstudy/service meeting on tuesdays but she has another meeting at her hall tonight.
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BadBettie
Even with no book study the CO still makes a special night out here. He has a lot of talks to give and needs all 3 meetings to make sure we get the point!