sbf: my understanding is that peak oil was correct insofar as known reserves were concerned but new technologies such as horizontal drilling, fracking/the use of chemicals to increase yield and new reserves such as shale oil/gas made the predictions obsolete.
Posts by bohm
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32Have you ever believed something that turned out to be wrong?
by slimboyfat inapart, of course, from the obvious example of believing the evidence-free assertion of the governing body to be god's representatives on earth.
not to side-step that issue, but i wonder if it might be interesting to relate that huge mistake to other things i've been wrong about and how they compare and contrast with the big one.
a couple of examples of things i was wrong about:.
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Have you ever believed something that turned out to be wrong?
by slimboyfat inapart, of course, from the obvious example of believing the evidence-free assertion of the governing body to be god's representatives on earth.
not to side-step that issue, but i wonder if it might be interesting to relate that huge mistake to other things i've been wrong about and how they compare and contrast with the big one.
a couple of examples of things i was wrong about:.
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bohm
Peak oil, I had forgotten about that. I used to believe that 100%, it seemed very clear.
Before that, I saw a documentary on TV that argued HIV originated in Africa ca. 1950 due to improper use of monkey tissue as a growth substance in a vaccination program against Polio. I used to believe that as well.
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Why are Republican's so consistantly dishonest?
by Coded Logic init hasn't gone unnoticed that the republicans who are saying, "we need to get to the bottom of the obama wiretapping" and "let's investigate this" - are the same people, when it comes to trump's russian ties, who are saying, "we shouldn't look at this at all - it's just a bunch of lies and hype.".
no evidence whatsoever for claims about obama need a congressional investigation.
but mountains of evidence about trump with more coming out everyday can be swept under the rug.
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bohm
VI: Just a small aside on the story, a week ago Chinese businessmen forgave Ivanka/Kushner 400M in loans, now Ivanka handle classified information. A conspiratorial mind...
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Why are Republican's so consistantly dishonest?
by Coded Logic init hasn't gone unnoticed that the republicans who are saying, "we need to get to the bottom of the obama wiretapping" and "let's investigate this" - are the same people, when it comes to trump's russian ties, who are saying, "we shouldn't look at this at all - it's just a bunch of lies and hype.".
no evidence whatsoever for claims about obama need a congressional investigation.
but mountains of evidence about trump with more coming out everyday can be swept under the rug.
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bohm
The fact of the matter is, you are allowed to criticize the right without much noise, criticize the left and everyone has a hissy fit
L-O-L
Since you literally called me a "jackass" a moment ago for not even criticizing the right, but merely pointing out inconvenient facts about Hillary, I find this a tad bit disingenuous.
Once again I will point this out: When you make the discussion about how mean the other side supposedly is, and you can't demonstrate that it is actually mean to you in a clear way, that's playing the victim.
Congratulations, you have appropriated one of the most annoying aspects of the radical left, victimhood culture.
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Why are Republican's so consistantly dishonest?
by Coded Logic init hasn't gone unnoticed that the republicans who are saying, "we need to get to the bottom of the obama wiretapping" and "let's investigate this" - are the same people, when it comes to trump's russian ties, who are saying, "we shouldn't look at this at all - it's just a bunch of lies and hype.".
no evidence whatsoever for claims about obama need a congressional investigation.
but mountains of evidence about trump with more coming out everyday can be swept under the rug.
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bohm
Outlaw: If microwaves don't have cameras, how can they see if you pressed 3 mins or 4 mins??? huh? HUH????
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Why are Republican's so consistantly dishonest?
by Coded Logic init hasn't gone unnoticed that the republicans who are saying, "we need to get to the bottom of the obama wiretapping" and "let's investigate this" - are the same people, when it comes to trump's russian ties, who are saying, "we shouldn't look at this at all - it's just a bunch of lies and hype.".
no evidence whatsoever for claims about obama need a congressional investigation.
but mountains of evidence about trump with more coming out everyday can be swept under the rug.
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bohm
minimus: lol, keep avoiding any real discussion!
Do you think Obama wiretapped Trump like Trump claims?
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Why are Republican's so consistantly dishonest?
by Coded Logic init hasn't gone unnoticed that the republicans who are saying, "we need to get to the bottom of the obama wiretapping" and "let's investigate this" - are the same people, when it comes to trump's russian ties, who are saying, "we shouldn't look at this at all - it's just a bunch of lies and hype.".
no evidence whatsoever for claims about obama need a congressional investigation.
but mountains of evidence about trump with more coming out everyday can be swept under the rug.
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bohm
Republicans's don't like changes so they are honest in what they are seeking.
I don't get this at all. If you don't like healthcare like Obamacare I get why it is honest to say you want to repeal it, but that is no reason to say you are going to give healthcare "for everyone" at a lower cost and not having such a plan at all.
How is that honest?
Btw. climate change is apparently one kind of change the current administration is okay with
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Why are Republican's so consistantly dishonest?
by Coded Logic init hasn't gone unnoticed that the republicans who are saying, "we need to get to the bottom of the obama wiretapping" and "let's investigate this" - are the same people, when it comes to trump's russian ties, who are saying, "we shouldn't look at this at all - it's just a bunch of lies and hype.".
no evidence whatsoever for claims about obama need a congressional investigation.
but mountains of evidence about trump with more coming out everyday can be swept under the rug.
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bohm
Simon: Obama has said things too that didn't hold up; I got no problem admitting that.
The scale of lying is different, though, as is the importance of what is being lied about. I hope we can agree about that.
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Why are Republican's so consistantly dishonest?
by Coded Logic init hasn't gone unnoticed that the republicans who are saying, "we need to get to the bottom of the obama wiretapping" and "let's investigate this" - are the same people, when it comes to trump's russian ties, who are saying, "we shouldn't look at this at all - it's just a bunch of lies and hype.".
no evidence whatsoever for claims about obama need a congressional investigation.
but mountains of evidence about trump with more coming out everyday can be swept under the rug.
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bohm
I also think that was why it was so easy to vilify Hillary during the campaign. She had to be worse than Trump and so the worse Trump got, the worse Hillary had to be. For instance, a tape surface of Trump bragging about workplace sexual harassment and so a pedophile ring is conjured up about Hillary...
This was naturally helped along greatly by the many Kremlin-propagated lies about Hillary during the disinformation campaign...
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Why are Republican's so consistantly dishonest?
by Coded Logic init hasn't gone unnoticed that the republicans who are saying, "we need to get to the bottom of the obama wiretapping" and "let's investigate this" - are the same people, when it comes to trump's russian ties, who are saying, "we shouldn't look at this at all - it's just a bunch of lies and hype.".
no evidence whatsoever for claims about obama need a congressional investigation.
but mountains of evidence about trump with more coming out everyday can be swept under the rug.
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bohm
I wouldn't say republicans as a general group is dishonest. I think there is an aspect of the Trump-phenomena which is dishonest in two ways: Firstly, overtly dishonest (but this is rare and mostly found in its leaders) by saying things known not to stand up to facts but secondly (and I think this is more common) accepting or excusing dishonesty.
The main reason for accepting dishonesty such as for instance, that Trump promises more healthcare and then delivers a plan which offers less, or promises he has a plan to eradicate ISIS and then does not have a plan, is because Trump supporters in my experience are not driven by a positive vision for the US/world, but rather driven by fear and negativity aimed against certain targets like Hillary, Obama, Muslims, Jews (though most commonly only acceptable Jewish targets, like Soros) or global trade.
Once you are basing your perception of the world on how evil some people are, excusing errors from your own side as "the lesser evil" becomes second nature. That is why any discussion of Trumps flaws is immediately diverted into a discussion of the acceptable targets, and why the evils of the acceptable targets must now be magnified in proportion to how bad poor Trumps performance is to cope with the cognitive dissonance.
And so as more is revealed about Trumps connection with Russia, Obama must be made more evil by the invention of a false wiretapping story which his supporters immediately accept because of cognitive dissonance.