Simon: Two things. Firstly, we can't discuss the incidence of rape based on single instances but must do so in view of the actual statistics. This is confounded by the fact Sweden defines rape broadly and so to compare against other countries we must rely on studies of rape incidents that take this difference in definitions into account. What studies would you recommend?
Posts by bohm
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491What is your opinion of the news media?
by minimus into me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
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491
What is your opinion of the news media?
by minimus into me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
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bohm
LUHE: my issue isn't with ordinary Swedes but, rather, with Swedish media (and authorities).
1) that wasn't what you said. You wrote: "it seems Sweden doesn't want people to feel outrage [of rape]."
2) You claim Swedish authorities don't feel outrage over rape?! What evidence do you have to support that claim? I can cite the strong focus on reporting of rape in Sweden in support of the idea that the Swedish authorities actually care quite a lot about rape.
BTW, I am not SIRI. Read primary sources yourself, make concrete claims that can be discussed and then let's have a discussion about those claims rather than a million vague questions and speculations you throw around in place of an actual argument.
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491
What is your opinion of the news media?
by minimus into me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
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bohm
Swedish media have a policy of remaining silent about the ethnicity and immigrant status of criminals
In some cases, not in others. Please inform yourself before spreading mis-information.
First, this seems like an effort to brush any concerns about mismanaged migration and multiculturalist policies under the carpet. If Sweden released details of ethnicity and immigrant status, I wonder what these data would show?
Have you looked at the literature on Swedish crime and ethnicity? I am just going to guess that you haven't because it would be the first time you had informed yourself about a subject you had an opinion about.
it seems Sweden doesn't want people to feel outrage [of rape].
You just made that up didn't you?. Stop lying about the Swedish people.
no, there's no whataboutery from me
Watch Russian news. "Putin invaded Crimea. Yes, but whatabout..."
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What is your opinion of the news media?
by minimus into me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
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bohm
Landy: The truth behind the statement is that Sweden does have more immigrants per capita than any other EU country and immigrants in Sweeden (and elsewhere) are more likely to commit crimes and are therefore disproportionally represented in the justice system (this can be compared to how blacks are more represented in the justice system in the US though I don't know how the numbers stack up).
What is also true is that Swedish media does not report ethnicity of criminals by default. So if a gang rob a kiosk, the report will say: "kiosk robbed by gang" and not "kiosk robbed by afghan/somali/white gang". People can make of that what they want, this is not a policy that I have a fixed opinion about.
Where you should be careful is that Sweden has a super high rate of reported rapes. This is because Sweden has the most progressive laws in terms of reporting rapes... que a gazillion right-wing stories about how immigrants are raping everyone in Sweden. This type of stories typically don't hold up to fact-checking because they are comparing apples and oranges.
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491
What is your opinion of the news media?
by minimus into me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
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bohm
LUHE: This is the 3rd terror attack made up by the administration in 30 days and you distract to the Swedish media in a massive effort of "whataboutery". You should follow the Russian news, it will make you allergic to that strategy in two weeks.
Either your standard for reporting is that ethnicity of criminals and victims should play a major role or it shouldn't. If you decide it should, Trump should be called out for not reporting on other incidents of hate crimes that he is strangely silent about, like the attack in Canada or the vandalizing of synagogues in the USA by neo-nazis.
Instead he talks about muslim terrorism to the point where he runs out of actual acts of terrorism and has to make them up. There seems to be some ethnic bias involved.. i just can't quite put my finger on it...
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491
What is your opinion of the news media?
by minimus into me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
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bohm
freemindfade:
Oh come on those two guys again!
Pewdiepie has a well-established record of making jokes with nazis that just aren't funny (this is my subjective belief); i.e. more or less putting Hitler randomly into his content. Wallstreet journal reported on this and Disney decided that they would rather not associate their brand with a guy who makes nazi jokes and stopped their sponsorship.
Kind of like how there is a limit to how many nazi jokes you can make in any publically-facing job; this has nothing to do with a limit of free speech. Pewdiepie has as much right to a Disney sponsorship as I have: none!
That wall street journal is reporting on nazi jokes in videos is just ... what is it called ... free speech. It would almost seem like Sargon of Akkad is complaining that free speech is hurting feelings ;-)
Best part: Sargon of Akkad complains about cherry picking, "unflattering articles", etc.: L-O-L.
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491
What is your opinion of the news media?
by minimus into me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
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bohm
A thing Trump could mention is the mass shooting in Canada or the synagogues being vandalized with swastika.
But oh no... sweden..bowling green..atlanta...
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491
What is your opinion of the news media?
by minimus into me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
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bohm
VI: What happened in Sweden?
Oh, are you missing out!
What happened was that the day before yesterday Trump saw a program on Fox about Sweden and crime (in general). He then slept for 5 hours and turned that into something that happened "last night in Sweden" which he then mentioned in his speech:
This is the kind of thing that would worry me a lot if one of my parents were doing it.
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491
What is your opinion of the news media?
by minimus into me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
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bohm
I think the big mistake the media is making right now is thinking that *they* are the story.
I think when the president of the USA attacks the free press using chekist slogans and launch a fund-raising campaign to "fight" the press that is news.
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491
What is your opinion of the news media?
by minimus into me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
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bohm
LUHE: Yes, Sweedish media typically don't report the ethnicity of the criminals unless it is relevant to the story... you can think that is good or bad but it isn't exactly a media blackout of some forms of crime and you can find debate about immigrants in the Sweedish media if you go look.