Posts by bohm

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

bohm

FMF: but there are a lot of you (bohm, sir, spoletta, coded logic and more) who have concluded he is guilty based on supposed "EVIDENCE".

For the record, I have not said that Trump is guilty of anything, you made that up. Care to retract?

I said there are a number of odd things about Trump and his team's relationship with Russia and it deserves an investigation. I believe that is true and fairly uncontroversial given it is a belief shared by e.g. the FBI. Keep in mind it has just been reported that the GOP house majority leader have stated a much more serious allegation namely that he thinks Trump is being paid by Russia. This is BEYOND what I have written.

Today, I believe more and more damning evidence is coming to light, see for instance the scenario where Flynn was paid (undisclosed) 500'000 dollars and then was part of a policy change favoring the people who were paying him (Turkey). This evidence too deserves an investigation IMO, and I believe that is what the FBI is doing.

Spoletta: I'm flattered that you associate me with Bohm, whose reasoning and command of facts cuts through your deflection and insults like a knife through butter,

thanks and you too!

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

bohm

no, fmf, I bet you got it from a really reputable source. the_donald? 4chan?

Comey is testifying about obstruction from the AG/DOJ, not POTUS. I know there is a lot of straw-grabbing (like the whole Seth Rich thing which seems like pizzagate 2.0 except less evidence) out there but you would do well to read the sources and ask what they are saying, exactly. A person like Comey testifying on this matter is likely to weight his words *very* carefully.

My point is that you are copy-pasting things from the right-wing-o-sphere onto this forum without attribution while calling the rest of us idiots. I don't believe this is the first time. Can't we do away with either the copy-pasting without attribution or the name-calling? It seems like those two things don't go well together.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

bohm

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

bohm

Simon: Well, both Coded Logic and I did address the substance of the tweet. I don't think it is healthy that things from far right/left ideologues are copy-pasted onto this forum and passed off as original ideas. I think it is happening more and more often, for instance, all the "last night in Sweden" stories which coincide with whatever trend on /pol or the_Donald.

But whatever, I can't tell you how to moderate this place. if copy-pasting rebel medias twitter feed and calling other posters idiots/spaz/jackasses is cool then I guess that is how it is.

Update:

Well look at that. Special council for the Russia investigation, McCarthy saying he believes Putin pays Trump and Paul Ryan reported to have told him to keep quiet. The spin on this one from fox/right-wing media will be EPIC.

update-update: I did address the quote, see previous posts. Comey did not say POTUS had not told him to stop the investigation. I don't think I have more posts so I can't address this anymore.

Liberal media is not blameless & I can't stand huffpo. Please ban me when I copy-paste huffpo stories and try to pass them off as my own ideas. For my own sake.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

bohm

FMF: BOHM I have no idea who you are talking about, the expert from the Comey testimony is all over the internet, chose whatever maniac you want to try and associate me with, I have no idea who you are talking about. If he tweeted about I am sure he is not the only one... idiot

Yah well. You wrote this:

FMF: Comey said under oath that Trump did not ask him to halt any investigation - 5/8/17

Minutes after known pedler of conspiracies Jack Posobiec wrote this on twitter:

Jack Posobiec: Comey said under oath that Trump did not ask him to halt any investigation - 5/8/17

Notice the similarities? Like, somone took the tweet and copy pasted it onto JWN lol. You are really trying to convince me that you just happened to come upon this testimony, moments after Jack did, and happened to write exactly the same as he did ;-).

BTW. is it all cool that we call each other idiots now on this forum? When did that happen?

Update: Just wanted to add: This is definitely not the only example of how this forum has become a dumping ground of opinions and views from a few select right-wing sites (certain twitter feeds, the_donald, /pol/ on 4chan, etc.). I am also having a suspicion we may be dealing with some sock-puppeteering.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

bohm

FMF: between calling me a spaz and an idiot, I will simply invite you to read what Comey said. Comey was not asked if POTUS asked him to stop the investigation, AND Comey never says that POTUS did not ask him to stop the investigation. Notice "they" in the sentence refers back to the original question where "they = AG+DOJ".

Please don't get your news from Jack Posobiecs twitter feed. That is a bit embarrassing and you can expect yourself to be continually misinformed.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

bohm

freemindfade: It is sad that the left cannot exhibit the same level-headed restraint as the republicans did when it came to Benghazi and Hillary's emails.

Well, funny how that line by Comey was tweeted 15 minutes ago by Jack Posibic. It confirms how JWN has become a place to dump right-wing conspiracies and deza.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/864936480958959616

Anyway, notice what the question is: " So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?"

Notice how he does not ask about the president.

Coded Logic: Full quote here.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1705/03/wolf.02.html

Sir82: your post on page 2 wins this thread!

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

bohm

The spins I have heard (add yours):

Comey is weird for keeping a "little book of secrets"
If this really happened, Comey should have done something then, so it is Comeys fault.
Deep state media is trying to undermine Trump
Leaks are from Comeys associates; leaks are bad
Flipping the middle finger to a reporter (yes, a member of congress did this)
It didn't happen

Analysis of the obstruction of justice issue:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/another-bomb-drops-initial-thoughts-trump-asking-comey-kill-flynn-investigation

Verdict: Perhaps, but there is no way to prosecute without a political will to do so because of immunity.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

bohm

Coded Logic: Good question. I am hearing conflicting things. I would watch lawfareblog for an update, they have a team of real scholars.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

bohm

Imagine that Obama called the FBI director at the height of the Benghazi thing and told him that Hillary was a good person and he should consider "letting Hillary go". I bet everyone would be like: yah, the real story here is the leaks ;-).

So we got: FBI is investigating Trump. First Trump tries to tell the FBI director to let it go, then he fires him, then he says he fired him because he would not let it go.