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Anthony Morris III: Jehovah Blesses Obedience

by wifibandit in

http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201509_1_video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf9j7qs7bvm.

obey.

freddo

My question is why did they broadcast this? Because they are getting dissent and they don't like it? Good.

Notice how Tony Morris catches and involuntarily changes tone and facial expression on words he doesn't like to hear even when reading from scripture - "complaining" from the Greeks about their widows. It's bothersome to him even after admitting the apostles distributed food Jesus miraculously provided.

Last month we had a bit on child abuse and he gave us "professed victim".

"Professed" is a borg judgemental word usually used with "professed" Christians to show the borg don't like'em and have judged them non-christian.

If Tony Morris was about in ancient times he would be banging the rock and grudgingly giving out water and not getting into the promised land.

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The new RBC

by drawcad_1 in

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the new rbc now called the ldc.

sold to us as new and improved rbc.

working with all of the congregation funds after we sent them all back to new york and what have they done.

freddo

Here in the UK in Wales and the South of England where I have contacts it's similar. Disbanded congregations and closing KH's. Inventories being taken and elders asked to value certain halls. Congregations not told what is going on and more and more people feeling "out in the cold".

I just hope it wakes more up to "the lack of love" and lessens the grip on the rest.

LDC = Let's Donate Cash! Very funny and very true!

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What will 1914 (DROPPED) mean for you (EX-JW)

by John Aquila in

let's pretend this might happen.

im not asking what it will mean for the jdubs or for the organization, but what will it mean for you---- if one day you wake up and the watchtower drops the 1914 doctrine.. (you know at some point they have to, but probably not our lifetime).

if you are disfellowshipped or disassociated and have been shunned by your parents, by your children, by you spouse or ex-husband/wife, for years or even less, will you call your relatives and ask/tell them;.

freddo

Me personally? I stopped believing in 1914 sometime between 1994 and about 2004. Went through the 3 stages of Hmm? Huh? and WTF? But not at an exact time I could pinpoint. So nothing really.

As for waking up anyone else - if dancing trolley carts, the ARC and particularly "the generation" hasn't done it then no single thing will. But 1914 might be a big enough straw to break quite a few camels backs.

They won't do it though because they would find it hard to have any semblance of belief in themselves any longer if they did.

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Special talk yesterday?

by TweetieBird in

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i got a call from my mother-in-law the other day begging me to go to the hall this past sunday for a special talk.

i didn't go but was wondering what the deal is?

details please..

freddo

Oh yah! WT Study - Your Deliverance is Getting near! (again!)

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I'm not so sure a bigger awakening is going to happen anymore

by bradford in

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when i left in march officially i started reading the forums here.

i had this excitement that more people would be leaving soon because of the crazy broadcasts, the crazy "new light" that the gb was dishing out, and more recently the australian royal commission lighting up geoffrey.

this past saturday i had an elder stop by to chat for the first time since i left.

freddo

Round "our way" - south U.K. - over the last ten years I have noted:

1) Dropping average meeting attendance from about 90% of publisher number to 75% of publisher number (despite being two meetings instead of three). More vacations.

2) Very few coming in from outside. Those that are are low hanging fruit. Not mentally or emotionally "right."

3) More ex-elders. One congregation nearby has six serving elders with five ex elders sat in the audience. Another has eight elders with four exes. 2 elders resigned or removed in one cong. in 2014.

4) In one hall in the last two years 1 older single/divorced brother in his 70's has conspicuously and deliberately "gone inactive" - I don't know why. I older sister in her 60's has definitely disassociated (announce as no longer a jw but the rumour mill says she felt not enough emphasis on jesus and "being made to feel guilty for not doing enough" every CO visit). Another one in her 40's posted her pictures of herself in an Xmas party hat on facebook and she was called up by elders and she disassociated or was DF'd - not sure which)

None of these were ever zealous types but nevertheless three in two years and not for the traditional "immorality".

Slow steady decline. And this during the 2013/2014 let's all get new bibles and celebrate 100 years razzmatazz.

This was before the ARC and the overlapping generation! Let's hope it gets worse.

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After Death Communications in the JW community

by jack2312 in

my name is jack and i'm looking for after death communications from the jehovah witness community.

an after death communication (or adc) is when a loved one sends a kind of message to this side of life after their death.

it can be a dream or smell (like perfume or roses that would be attached to them in memory) or a feeling of their presence.

freddo

Hello Jack.

I'm sorry to hear your daughter died at age 35. It must be so distressing to lose a child I don't know how folk cope but I guess they have to.

I hope you find solace.

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Trolley Cart effectiveness

by freddo in

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does anyone here who goes to meetings know of anyone who comes to their meetings after being contacted on the trolleys?

anyone hear of a real bible study from these carts?.

exaggerations from the assembly platform or jw urban myths do not count!.

freddo

@Mad Irishman

Did the studies "progress"?

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Lurker trying to gain clarity

by questioningmyfaith in

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hello all, i would like to first say that i am basically questioning my faith in god.

i am not negative towards the wt at all.

so honestly i am to concerned with more ad hominem attacks towards the wt because i still love the organization and the people in it.

freddo

Hello qmf,

You say they do nothing worse than waking folk up on Saturday mornings.

What about "protecting their image"? By doing this they have instructed their branch legal departments to stop elders bringing accused pedophiles to the relevant authorities (1 Peter 2 v 13 - 18) and this has backfired enormously.

What about their persistent claiming they can interpret "the generation" and encouraging their followers to give up higher education and career prospects or having a family so as to preach their doctrine of Armageddon "soon, very soon" to others?

And now they are after the mighty dollar in a way they weren't previously. "Bigger storehouses" "counting the cost" and even "ananias and sapphira" come to mind.

And Blood? The scriptures say "marry only in the Lord" and they do not disfellowship for that. Why do they count taking blood (or at least the fraction they deem as disallowed) as if you have disassociated yourself? When the context of Act 15 seems to be talking about blood in worship or in eating it? Can blood being sacred because it represents life be more sacred than life it itself?

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Trolley Cart effectiveness

by freddo in

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does anyone here who goes to meetings know of anyone who comes to their meetings after being contacted on the trolleys?

anyone hear of a real bible study from these carts?.

exaggerations from the assembly platform or jw urban myths do not count!.

freddo

Does anyone here who goes to meetings know of anyone who comes to their meetings after being contacted on the trolleys? Anyone hear of a real bible study from these carts?

Exaggerations from the assembly platform or jw urban myths do not count!

Personally I know of none.

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Are the J.W's reaching a "Tipping point"?

by karter in

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i haven't been to a meeting in 15 years but my mother and sister are hard as j.w's.

the brothers they are appointing elders are at best suspect like one guy from my old hall made elder,big time drug used before becoming a j.w his talks are all over the place and would have struggled to make m,s years ago but with at least 60 to 70 % of young ones leaving the pool to pick from is at best reduced.. 2 other recent elders both young and zero life experience both on benefits one not well at all falls asleep all the time.. the decent,kind elders mostly older and are decent people with alot of life experience are burning out fast as there are so few of them left like 3 per congro of 100 publishers.. then you have the rich elders who wouldn't ever think of inviting some poor older or mis-fit person out to the expensive placers they go to as they couldn't afford to go so they are above the r&f and the r&f get pissed off with them.

then we have the ones who have "put the kingdom 1st" who are now old worn out and barely getting by from welfare cheque to welfare cheque that are saying "the system should have been over many years ago" it's still here and they are struggling everyday.. then there are the pioneers who have a low payed reduced hour job that seem to think anyone who has anything is totally materialistic and looks down on anyone getting a new car buying a house ect.. along with the child abuse issues,the generation change,access to information the the g.b don't want anyone to know ,not to mention the issues around blood.. is there a tipping point coming????

freddo

Bearing in mind that it is only seven or eight years since the book study dropped the attendances are pathetic compared with then.

Attendances that were 90% + of congregation publisher numbers three times a week are now 75% twice a week.