Posts by freddo

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What makes WT think they can reassign Bethel volunteers to be Regular Pioneers.

by Zoos in

when the gb cuts loose 1600 volunteers, what makes them think they can continue telling them how they will spend their time?

i've read on many of these threads that the 1600 will be reassigned.

what, are they still under some sort of contract?.

freddo

In my area in the UK I know for certain of two bethelite couples and two single brothers - all the men being MS or elders who chose to leave on their own accord within the last year. There was no scandal and they have all retained their titles.

One couple (elder and pio) and one MS have remained as regular pioneers and found jobs - the MS tells me he couldn't cope "with all the politics" and has got himself an office job working as a computer network administrator.

The other elder single brother has privately told me "the place (bethel) was driving me crazy" and he has left to go self employed as a tradesman but is still an elder.

The other couple - he is still an elder and he and his wife aren't pioneering - have set themselves up with a small catering business - are still solid jw's but they also said "bethel isn't the place we joined" and they had both been there over ten years each. "We're in our early 40's and we need to earn a living." He said to me.

So these guys and gals left before this latest set of cuts and they tell me their friends in bethel they have kept contact with are panicking like crazy over the latest announcement.

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Crazy Study Stories

by dubstepped in

i never really had any studies to speak of, but my parents did have many over the years, and every single one of them was batsh!t crazy in some way.

there was one lady we kids affectionately termed "dirty robin" (her name was robin) and yes, she was very dirty.

her kids were filthy and rarely wore clothes.

freddo

I remember a study my wife did and once in a while I would go with her. A simple elderly catholic woman who had never married and who lived in sheltered accommodation (a group of about 20 separate flats with older but pretty independent people who just needed the watchful eye of a live-in warden to make sure they took their meds, didn't leave gas on and had locked their doors at night etc).

So this old girl starts telling us how the rest of the block's residents are running a laundry business and that they want her out so they can make more money by putting in one of their own kind.

Of course we see no evidence but being young and naive we take her at her word and listen to her stories. As the weeks go by she tells us how she can hear all the machinery and the lorries coming and going but that when they see us coming they all go silent and pretend it's not happening.

So I'm getting a bit concerned and offer to see the warden with her and she says don't do that she's in charge of it all and in league with "them Chinese".(who ran all the laundries in England I guess!)

Anyway I insist and she gets on her knees and begs me not to because "they" will kill her and make her into glue! Obviously the poor old girl was losing her marbles so I had a private word with the warden (a pleasant lady in her 50's) anyway who smiled and said that the year before she was accused by "our study" of murdering nuns and selling their body parts to medical science.

Sadly about a month later the study got pneumonia and we visited her in hospital but she passed away. Tragic really.

I wonder if they boiled her up for glue after all?

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Just 'phoned London Bethel!

by The Searcher in

i asked if the new britain branch construction had stopped, and i was told that "the governing body instructed us to cease all work on the project.".

"earthquakes" in one place after another!.

freddo

Wow! Just wow! Which department did you get through to Searcher? I know they won't tell you their name.

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Are You A Thinker And A Lurker?

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

if you are a lurker then you are probably a thinker.

you will already be wondering about a number of aspects of jw doctrine and how they stack up against reason, logic and modern scientific evidence.

if so, then i appeal to you to meditate and reason on one implication arising from the latest news that the next publication will be a simplified version of an already simplified book.

freddo

Good post Konceptual99 you make very good and well reasoned points.

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A simple explanation for the financial changes

by JeffT in

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friends

as i've mentioned from time to time, i'm a retired accountant.

i have tried many times to come up with some logical, sound business reason why the wtbs has made the big changes in its financial arrangements: taking the congregations savings, the monthly donations per congregation etc.

i finally came up with the answer.. the leadership of the watchtower society is batshit crazy.

freddo

They do get it spectacularly wrong at times. I mean hiring Monica Applewhite to tell the RAC about how good jw's are at handling child abuse cases really backfired.

If your advisors - whether financial, legal, property or child abuse - are only interested in keeping their lucrative contracts with you and milking you or if they are jw's keeping their board and lodging and positions of power they will tell you how wonderful you are and agree with you (to your face) when you say you are god's spokesmen, and then you will never get the really needed advice.

Remember when the yearbooks would tell us how the (worldly) M.A.N. press salesmen and installers would tell them "you really are god's people" or it's "obvious god is directing you!" Sucking at the teat of the cash cow the lot of them.

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Latest rumor - all WT construction "suspended", except for Warwick

by sir82 in

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friends

heard 4th-hand, but from a full-on believer, so not likely to be an "apostate lie":.

apparently, at bethel's morning worship this morning, it was announced that all worldwide wts construction is "suspended" for an indefinite time, except for the new world headquarters at warwick.. also, the "relocation" of remote translating teams is also suspended.. finally, there will be a "worldwide" reduction in bethel personnel.. all this came to me in a non-english language, and,as noted, 4th-hand.

so it is possible something may have been lost in translation and/or in the multiple steps between bethel morning worship & me.. but if true, it would be quite stunning.

freddo

Are they in major financial trouble right now?

Or do they just see it a'comin' down the pike?

To this small mind I think they are only "in trouble" now because they won't borrow money to build War-wick and the London branch against the vast wealth they have tied up in New York property (and to a lesser extent London) but want donations.

But a'comin down the pike they've got to be sweating like they're in a sauna eating vindaloo simply because of the pedo lawsuits.

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Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

by Watchtower-Free in

october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

dear brothers:.

freddo

Title says to BoE but letter actually addressed To All Congregations.

@_Morpheus

Defiantly or Definitely?

Actually either will do.

Who reckons there will be a shit-storm at the GB meeting this Wednesday as they make changes to teach them damn 'postates a lesson? Go on Tomo you know you want to!

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JWsurvey Scoop of Annual Meeting...No more TMS?? Further Magazine Reduction

by LostGeneration in

wow a lot here, hell of a scoop by cedars if true.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/theocratic-ministry-school-gone-as-2015-annual-meeting-announcements-leaked-in-advance.

freddo

It's only nine days until the annual meeting ... so possible. GB and "Helpers" will go ape-shit (UK expression for "going mental" ) trying to find the source of that. Mind you there is a small chance they are putting it out just to catch "the spy".

If it is genuine and they don't change it then it is great that someone high up enough to know about it has leaked it.

Shame the meeting is still 1hr 45; you'd think with all the dumbing down they might drop to 1hr 30. Same crap different name.

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Annual Meeting Speculation Open Thread

by cappytan in

- tony morris will rant about apostates anonymously sending him pink socks.. - david splane will say that though types and anti-types are no longer jw doctrine, that doesn't mean that the gb can't bring them back anytime they want.

obey, or else we'll bring them back!.

- sam herd gives a talk about "wimmen, whisky and makin' whoopie".

freddo

You know what Island Man? I could see them doing that!

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Annual Meeting Speculation Open Thread

by cappytan in

- tony morris will rant about apostates anonymously sending him pink socks.. - david splane will say that though types and anti-types are no longer jw doctrine, that doesn't mean that the gb can't bring them back anytime they want.

obey, or else we'll bring them back!.

- sam herd gives a talk about "wimmen, whisky and makin' whoopie".

freddo

Big video of lots of smiling black faces stood in front of their new scaffold pole sided kingdom hall with tin roof and of course with the blueborg logo stuck out at right-angles on it. Song "Let it rain let it snow this is where your lolly goes ..." played over it then "Oh sunny day why not pay let it make Jehovah's day!" to round it off with six whirling trolley carts spinning madly.

Videos of big earth movers building War-wick ready for the new system. Snippet of the London project mentioned too.

A ten minute video of how even when your branch office closes you can show loyalty by bringing the good news to your dying relatives - starring Geoff Jackson and his Pa.

Tony Morris reminding us of how good his sons and "oh so meek" daughters-in-law make him look.

A trip down memory lane "looking at our archives" where about three comments of Rutherford's ramblings taken out of context out of about three hundred thousand wrong 'uns can be shown to have been correct before their time with a cut to "Millions Now Living Will ... err ... May Never Die" book.