Posts by freddo

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A call for JW lurkers to set matters straight!!!!!

by James Mixon in

not all are jw's here, think about the time you could get.

i know you are checking.

don't be shy, no one will ever know.

Creative day 7000 years, is this correct and how did the Org come up with this idea?

by Crazyguy in

any body know?

I have in front of me the old "green bible" - this one revised in "1970 C.E." - on page 1461 there is the "table of the books of the bible". The columns show name of book/writer/place written/writing completed/time covered.

In the "Time Covered (B.C.E.)" column for Genesis it says:-

After 1:2: (meaning Ch1 v 2)

46,026 - 1657

I also have in front of me a deluxe 1984 revision.

In the 1984 revision we have:

"In the beginning" to 1657

As the creative days become more embarrassing the awkward dates are dropped.

I surmise that 46,026 is 6 creative days at 7000 = 42,000 plus the 4026 BCE date given for Adam's creation at the end of the sixth day. Add the final creative day (of god's rest) of 7000 years and we get to Blondie's 49,000 years, bringing us to the end of the 1000 year reign in 2975 C.E. (1975 CE being the start of it.)

Oh how all this bollocks made sense to me as a teenager who liked to read. Can you imagine today's jw youngsters wading through this lot?

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Another pervert hidden by his congregation.

by BelleStar in

jehovah's witness strangled girls and was getting away with it for over 20 years.

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freddo

@Bluesbrother

I feel your pain. Been there, worn the T-shirt. Still appalled.

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Witness wedding questions

by snugglebunny in

just wondering about witness weddings and what is and isn't acceptable these days.

i know that toasts are a no-no, but i'm wondering about other things, such as:.

is it ok to have a best man?.

freddo

A wedding in jw-land? It is a huge minefield with even more mines being laid as each decade goes by.

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Do our loved pets come back when we do?

by Nichole in

i have recently started studying and im really enjoying learning all about the truth!

i am a huge animal lover and have my dog trixie for 11 years now, i got her when i was 12 years old and she has been the best friend and companion, i am so lucky and grateful to have her at my side every single day!

i get worried a lot about what will happen when the time comes that she has to leave me, anytime i even think about it i start to cry because it would break my heart not to have her with me anymore!

freddo

Hello Nichole!

My first reaction to seeing you post was overwhelming sadness. You sound a lovely open honest - dare I say naive - young lady and you're asking the sort of question I asked around about the age of ten. With no happy answer.

I hate to burst your bubble and I hope you don't run away but I'm afraid "the truth" is not all it's cracked up to be. I've been baptised over 35 years and have been a min serv, an elder and seen "behind the scenes" of the promises of paradise and millions now living will never die.

I've seen families shun their loved ones because they have put the governing body in place of everyone and everything else including the bible and Jesus and their own consciences. I'm ashamed to say I even encouraged it myself before I "awoke". I've seen parents willing to let their child die for want of a blood transfusion. I even, as a teenager made a "similar stand" myself. I believed it all wholeheartedly.

Please check everything out - it's not lies from Satan - the Australian Royal Commission investigating child abuse case study 29 - Jehovah's Witnesses. The Candace Conti child abuse case.

Read "Crisis of Conscience" by Raymond Franz an ex-governing body member who dared use his bible trained conscience to question hypocrisy and inconsistency.

Please find the 1969 May 22nd Awake where readers were told "young people" needed to face the fact that they would not have a career in this old system because the "end" would be here within a few years. Also the May 15th 1984 Watchtower about the generation that saw 1914 "would by no means pass away."

Do not get embroiled in this sham of a religion. Just google the above.

Run. However nice the smiles; however nice your partner's dad. They are deluded and wrong. If it seems to good to be true then it is.

Please ask any question you like.

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Statistics - Spreadsheets - Opinion

by berrygerry in

so, spent a fair bit of time on the stats.. the 2010-2015 numbers are available here: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0bwv5uvzb3-67axpzavk0m0nttfe&usp=sharing.

also there are spreadsheets of: ratios, peak-pubs, and the best is a combo of ratios, peak pubs & average pubs.. you can play with these by "select all" and "sort" according to your preference.. if you would like any other combination, i would try to create it and post it for you.. of interest:.

as has been noted, the biggest standout of 2015 is the increase of only 18k in peak pubs while having 260k baptized.

freddo

In my micro-climate 40% of the congregation's do less than 5 hours per month immune to any "encouragement" or "guilt trips". I hear that about 10% of are persistently "irregular". About 10% of the publishers "listen in on the phone" and do about an hour or less - put in by the secretary.

We have about five ex elders sat in the audience and I guess half of those are in the 5 hour/ low answering group. The older zealous "1975" generation elders are dying or limited by age.

In the past three years we have had two older ones go inactive, one older one disassociate (apostasy) and five teenagers "not progress to baptism" and leave or become memorial attenders only. I only recall one teenager baptised.

The "zealous pioneer ones" and the "important elders wives" spend a huge mount of time on a nearby city's trolley carts wasting their efforts. This leaves the 40% to do the door to door work which also produces zero.

The only new people we see are weirdos who don't work or who don't wash and the occasional semi-apostate who turns up for a public talk every two months and disappears!

Oh and loads of depression and meds among all age groups. Jehovah's happy people don'cha know!

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Closest to the truth?

by punkofnice in

i know many jws that state that the watchtower corporation is the 'closest to the truth'.

thus they quiet their cognitive dissonance.. i don't have access to a corporation library any more.

is this a stance that the watchtower corporation has actually claimed?.

freddo

Like some of you have posted already I think it is a phrase used by those (including most of us at one point?) who know something's up but don't want to face it. Often said ruefully or sadly by older "lifers".

E.g. "It's still the best way of life" or "we/they are right about the trinity" ... followed by "where else would we go?".

Some of us get through that phase and mentally check out. And some physically too.

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Wanna take a trip to Wallkill and Bethel?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

jw
friends

just got my annual advertisement from illinois international travel (apparently run by jws).

for $1,199 i can take a tour from september 17-25. why are they printing so much bible literature if the witnesses are supposed to be using tablets?.

saturday: first stop at new yorks newark airport, then transferred to a marriott hotel.

freddo

@lovesjehovah

Why?

Amos 5 v 5

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Wanna take a trip to Wallkill and Bethel?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

jw
friends

just got my annual advertisement from illinois international travel (apparently run by jws).

for $1,199 i can take a tour from september 17-25. why are they printing so much bible literature if the witnesses are supposed to be using tablets?.

saturday: first stop at new yorks newark airport, then transferred to a marriott hotel.

freddo

Charabang/Charabanc - it's an old open bus typically used to take Brits to the "seaside" in the 1920's. It would be single-deck with a canvass roof.

Comes from the French Charabanc (pronounced Sharabanc with a silent "c" at the end) which was originally a horse drawn carriage with bench seats for a few dozen people.

As time went by and coaches (aka motorcoaches) with enclosed roof and windows came along only the poor would use the charabangs which British pronunciation of "Sharra-bang" (hard "g" at the end) also gives a nod to an old banger or old clapped out vehicle.

Google images to see them.

edited to say: Stan says so much more with fewer words!

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Wanna take a trip to Wallkill and Bethel?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

jw
friends

just got my annual advertisement from illinois international travel (apparently run by jws).

for $1,199 i can take a tour from september 17-25. why are they printing so much bible literature if the witnesses are supposed to be using tablets?.

saturday: first stop at new yorks newark airport, then transferred to a marriott hotel.

freddo

I'd rather push cocktail sticks under my fingernails.

I love the "private motorcoach" sounds like 1930's British English.

Cockney Lad: "Yay! We're off to Clacton wiv a bucket and spade in a Charabang!"

Lord Snooty: "Oh, how ghastly! We're going to Sandringham for cucumber sandwiches in a private motorcoach."