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  2016 Revised bethel visitors 'dress code' pamphlet?

  by neat blue dog in

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  does anybody have a digital copy of the revised bethel visitors 'dress code' pamphlet from this year?.

  thanks.

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  freddo

  Visited a nearby hall this week and one was pinned to the noticeboard. I noticed the poor little kid in the suit. Crazy stuff.
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  Shunned by family

  by Ruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my fiancé is an ex-jehovah’s witness.

  when he was 18 years old, his 17 year old brother was killed in an accident.

  his parents having previously lost an infant daughter were understandably distraught and were therefore highly susceptible to an organisation which seemed to be able to supply definitive answers where more mainstream religion seemed to fail them..

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  freddo

  Hello Ruth,

  It's the "scriptural" divorce which has caused this (accepting that the real cause is JW pressure and his parents choice to follow it).

  Your fiancé's informing his ex-wife that she is scripturally free is what has led to this.

  The ex-wife "needs" to be scripturally free if she is ever going to re-marry in JWland. Like a whitewashed grave she "needs" to appear whiter than white because JW's "need" to appear - like the Pharisees of old - pure and clean.

  So the lackey elders at her hall will have consulted their branch office or the latest circuit overseer and been advised that the "reputation of the congregation" needs protecting as your fiancé has in effect admitted to having a sexual relationship outside of marriage and the ex-wife needs to have it shown to all and sundry she is free to marry.

  His parents are so brainfrozen, desperate, needy, entrenched, unable to be wrong or whatever after decades of following false hopes and thinking they would be of a select few in paradise petting lions with their deceased loved ones that they are probably incapable at their age (assuming 80 plus) to act differently.

  The best hope you have is acting as the "go between" (but likely not in the presence of your fiancé) as if you are not a baptised witness then they - even by the rules of JW land - should not be shunning you.

  You might also, with no guarantees of success, stay a while and ask about "loopholes" in the shunning/disfellowshipping/disassociation process/game. There are posters here who can find WT literature quotes that might support some contact in the case of "necessary family business" which individual JW's can use to ease their conscience when trying to do the "right thing."

  A good start is on the JW dot org website under "FAQ's" where the question "Do Jehovah's Witnesses Shun Former Members of Their Religion?" is shown. This is the "public face" of the religion and they paint it in a less severe light.

  They type so much drivel you can find contradictory statements which may, just may, get through to one or both of your fiancé's parents.

  Best of luck.

  BTW are you in the UK?
  
  
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  Keep the meeting going! (even if somebody's dying)

  by TimeBandit in

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  2. friends

  this is a true story.

  it's about a sister named henriette venema.

  she was a very loyal jw.

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  freddo

  The show must go on ...
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  2016 Revised bethel visitors 'dress code' pamphlet?

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anybody have a digital copy of the revised bethel visitors 'dress code' pamphlet from this year?.

  thanks.

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  freddo

  Whitewashed graves is what they are. Fine looking on the outside but full of rotten bones.
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  Port St. Lucie, FL Elder facing charges of sexual battery on child, lewd and lascivious behavior

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/crime/st-lucie-county/man-27-faces-charges-of-six-counts-sexual-battery-on-child-37eef916-9fe8-7596-e053-0100007f3f9d-387317751.html.

  https://jail.stluciesheriff.com/inmateprofile.php?inmate_id=241566.

  biggs, george calvin dob: 11-26-1978.

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  freddo

  @wifi and barbara

  I guess that if you have an article about George Calvin Biggs and Barbara says he was accused years ago then that confirms he is a JW?

  Is it the same person? - I mean if he's 27 and giving talks at conventions then he must be a very young rising star elder.
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  The two faces of mrs hoser

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they say women are hard to figure out.

  she is is proactive about retirement planning but talks about how things might be in the new system.

  she shuns one of our children (dfd) but put him as beneficiary one one of her life insurance policies.

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  freddo

  @NVR2L8

  Please knock at his door and tell us the result. Please. Pretty please!
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  I have to vent about someone...

  by babygirl30 in

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  2. friends

  i'm sorry if this comes across as rude or mean, but i'm sorry - not sorry!

  there is a woman that was in my congregation for years.

  she was dating a 'worldly' man at the time and ended up df'd.

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  freddo

  Well ... I know it must be irritating but this is your opportunity to convince her that life outside is better and why that is so.

  It is incredibly galling when someone acts like she does - but she is talking to you and this is an opportunity to calmly tell her like it is (the jw organisation, I mean).

  ARC/Generation/unscriptural demands etc etc etc.

  If not for her for her kids?
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  What will Tony say?

  by konceptual99 in

  1. social
  2. humour

  genuine picture from a convention in holland.

  what will tony say?!.

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  freddo

  Love it!

  Elder: We need to talk about your suit ...

  Bro Tulips from Amsterdam: Yes?

  Elder: Well. it's um er...

  Bro TfA: Is it too tight?Jacket and trousers don't match?

  Elder: Well no ...

  Bro TfA: Well then, I'll be on my way.

  Shame he hasn't got a matching hat!
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  CLIENT INTAKE - CSA QUESTIONNAIRE & General legal advice and direction

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  client intake—csa questionnaire.

  general legal advice and direction.

  hi wifi.. i don't believe these have been seen before.. one is a general guideline given to elders who report a child safety issue in the congregation, and the second is the form they have to return to the legal department.. they are both recent forms.. the questionnaire has an interesting question at a.6 stating if the legal dept has advised to contact the authorities yes or no.

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  CSA = Child Sexual Abuse?
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  CLIENT INTAKE - CSA QUESTIONNAIRE & General legal advice and direction

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  client intake—csa questionnaire.

  general legal advice and direction.

  hi wifi.. i don't believe these have been seen before.. one is a general guideline given to elders who report a child safety issue in the congregation, and the second is the form they have to return to the legal department.. they are both recent forms.. the questionnaire has an interesting question at a.6 stating if the legal dept has advised to contact the authorities yes or no.

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  freddo

  The Legal dept phone number phone number looks like London England. So I guess this is a UK form especially as organisation is spelled with an "s", not a "z".

  Can anyone get it off to the ARC and the UK enquiry?

  (Especially the self serving box with the sentence "The information will also enable the Legal Department to jointly defend the congregation elders, and the organisation of Jehovah's Witnesses, should litigation arise." at the top of the Client Intake - CSA Questionnaire.)