why is it that when a jw gives someone a magazine, they use the word "place" instead of "give"?
as in "i placed a magazine with him".
and why do regular door-to-door jws of no special rank refer to themselves as publishers?
I've never thought of that Neveula - but I wonder if it goes back to when we asked for money (invited the householder to take them on a contribution of 20 cents/1 shilling/20 pence the pair) from people.
To go back and boast that you'd "placed" 6 magazines sounded so much better (more righteous) than that you'd sold 6 magazines for the non-profit charity that is the Watchtower.
many here have asked how the average witness in australia is taking the news of the arc findings and conclusions.. is it affecting them?.
sorry to say, hardly any are even aware of the facts.
those that are, have been convinced that all the publicity is "apostate lies and satanic propaganda".
Look ... it is having an effect.
I'm here in the UK and I was told separately by two elders about the ARC last year. I knew but played dumb and even said to them "is that on jaydubyadotborg legal section?" - both of them got defensive and said "no but it's on a legitimate government website."
One lied through his teeth about GJ being grabbed at the airport and frog marched to give his testimony but that he did "a good job". I said I'd have to watch! (already had of course)
These elders are circuit heavies - on the platform and hob-nobbing with the CO for circuit jobs and one of them told me that a group of elders were talking about it at some department head coffee break. (You know - assembly accounts overseer, assembly overseer etc.)
If these - and two or three others in my hall of mentioned it you can bet there are a similar number who watch and keep quiet. (Bit like porn! Probably for everyone found out there are another dozen doing it!)
They all "continue to serve" but it must rattle their cages.
And I'm 10,000 miles away from Australia - admittedly in the old "mother country".
Don't be too disappointed - keep chipping away.
so it looks like now i'm a return visit.
i don't have it in me to be mean to the j dubs when they drop by so i chat with them.
on thanksgiving morning one of them dropped by (my wife previously asked them to stop coming by).
Good work. I hope he does come back for more but I wouldn't hold your breath.
during the book study which is basically a book all about the history of "gods organization" ©.
a paragraph that hit me like a ton of the proverbial bricks was this.... 9 first, jehovah’s servants came to have the proper view of the importance of god’s name.
faithful early bible students viewed the ransom arrangement as the bible’s main teaching.
It was also ironic that of the 40 in attendance (out of a publisher count of 75) that the only "youths" (under 18 years old) there were a 4 year old boy who was fast asleep on a chair, and a 12 year old autistic boy who sat transfixed with his mouth open.
during the book study which is basically a book all about the history of "gods organization" ©.
a paragraph that hit me like a ton of the proverbial bricks was this.... 9 first, jehovah’s servants came to have the proper view of the importance of god’s name.
faithful early bible students viewed the ransom arrangement as the bible’s main teaching.
Yes I endured that nonsense yesterday, sitting on my hands so as not to raise one of them and say how come Isaiah 43 v 10 is given more weight than Revelation 17 v 6 and Acts 1 v 8.
That was after I wondered why the globe in the Stephen Lett video was spinning the wrong way.
a hospital in qld.
australia sought orders to allow a blood transfusion on a minor if necessary.
this occurred on the 12th june 2015.the child was 7 years old and required a liver transplant within the next two or three years otherwise death was seen as inevitable.
Wow Rebel 8. What a situation.
As I understand it, nowadays HLC's basically "give permission" for parents to comply with court orders for younger children without congregation sanction.
1. attend a charity christmas party which my wife (active jw) helps to organise each year 😀.
2. buy a very small christmas tree with lights for the living room (which can easily be hidden away if jw friends are coming up).
3. buy some nice presents for my family.
Watch a Harry Potter movie with a couple of glasses of brandy instead of going to the meeting. (Xmas falls on Sunday and our meetings are 2pm!)
i’ve run into hard financial times and have decided to sell my second copy of coc for a fair price.
you’ll find them on amazon for ridiculous prices starting from $59.84 for a beat up used one to $294.96 and up for a new condition copy.
i’m selling mine in new condition for $50.00 plus shipping which should not be more than $5.
I paid £48 (GBP) a year ago so I suggest someone goes for it quickly.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/dupuis-memorial-jehovahs-witness-1.3857367.
public event in laval to honour jehovah's witness who died after giving birth.
éloïse dupuis refused emergency blood transfusion, now her aunt wants civil code amended to protect others.
@DS
That seems a bit grudging. Hopefully I am reading it wrong.
Barbara Anderson has more bravery in standing up to and exposing the JW hierarchy in her little finger than I have in my whole body. She and her husband could've shut up, sucked up and stayed in relative comfort in Bethel, but she gave that up - and through no fault of her own a relationship with her son - to genuinely help people see the wicked and damaging flaws in JW'ism.
I'd hate for her to feel unappreciated.
with recent events pointing at watchtower growth, i felt compelled to say a few words.. if the figures turn out to be true, then we should not be discouraged.
after 9/11 there was a surge in, not only the watchtower, but other demonisation of organised religion.
whenever there is a a paradigm shifting event that puts fear into others, this tends to have a life changing affect on an individual.. now let us zoom to the present.
Excellent post David Jay.
For me 1975 should have woken me up but in my defence I was only a teenager then, being brought up in it. But 1995 (first big generation change) should certainly have woken me up - although looking back that was when I think the doubts started.
I have lived through the only reported reverse of numbers (1977 and 1978 I think) and it didn't make a difference to me.
But I think that seeing another reverse in figures would help me in that I believe this would be the beginning of a decline rather than a blip before a further large increase.
A "ship of fools" as you describe them puts it well.
