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  The goal in all this 1918/1919 change?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as some have recently posted here, there does seem to be a shift going on in their self-interpretation(s) of what happened in 1918 and 1919. if we can look past all the details that emphasize the poor thinking and poor wording (or contradictions/just plain craziness/insignificance) of their message, something bigger seems to be afoot.

  they appear to be attempting to redefine the meanings for some "prophetic" scriptures in light of themselves.

  1. they are trying to somehow fill the void they have themselves created from their rejecting freddie franz's (ff) type–anti-type postulations.

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  freddo

  David Splane:

  "And while we're on the subject of bread, don't forget to hand over your dough!"

  That's an intrinsic part of the message which ever way you slice it.
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  Is it possible to decline preaching in the carts?

  by Skepsis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi folks,.

  i have a difficult dilemma.

  since i'm not pioneering any more, i'm reducing my hours wasted at that artifact known as cart or trolley.

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  freddo

  @Skepsis

  You typed "bear", not "beard".

  That is why Tepid and I posted our silly comments.

  
  
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  Skinned and Thrown About.....

  by Tech49 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is a little long, but stick with me.. if you recall, when the building work was in full swing at the new lakefront villa (warwick), wt was having workers come and they would put them up for a year, or more, while they were providing "volunteer services".

  with that, and the impending need for hundreds and hundreds of new khs in the usa territory, the congregations were abuzz with the need for "continued construction volunteers".

  recently, as many of you know, wt headquarters has sent pretty much everyone home, and is no longer needing workers at the new warwick site, as the building is mostly complete, with the dedication coming up later this year.

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  Three Bethelite couples have left and arrived in our circuit. I know their circumstances fairly well.

  Couple 1 (Sensible) (Age late 30's) Been there at least ten years. Saw the writing on the wall (and noted the unChristian behaviour and superciliousness of some at London Branch), left of their own accord using wife's "depression" as a reason in 2015, stayed with relatives for nine months and set up a small janitorial "mama and papa" business and rent a small flat.

  He is still an elder, but neither pioneer and they are setting themselves up sensibly but modestly. Like he said to me "who knows how long this system will go on for? I won't get a state pension until I'm over 70 ...". She doesn't seem so depressed anymore.

  Couple 2 (Sensible) (Age 40 ish) Booted out in 2016. They were surprised, Wife secretly pleased to be going. Fortunately had only been in Bethel for seven years and had already bought or were buying an apartment. He had a trade (Electrician) before and after going into Bethel and she did "A levels" before pioneering.

  He has started his own self employed business and she works as a clerical officer for a local government department to keep the money coming in for mortgage payments and food. She seems much happier out.

  Couple 3 (Completely floored!) Age early 50's. Booted out in 2016. Twenty five years Bethel service. Not a snooty pair but completely dumbfounded that they were asked to leave. No property. No kids. Renting a flat in a rough part of town off of "an unbelieving husband" - he is doing oddjobs for himself and janitorial work for a younger brother and she is doing secretarial work for the NHS.

  He is "lost" - she is pioneering. They look depressed but are digging deep into the cult and putting on "brave face" . He was interviewed at his kingdom hall and he admitted "the bottom had fallen out of his world".

  He did the same interview a fortnight later at the circuit assembly except that it was spun differently in as much as she was pioneering and he was serving faithfully as an elder in a congregation that needed help. No mention of the bottom falling out of his world on the assembly platform, eh?
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  No Longer a JW Expert But Starting to Figure Out Life

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  consider this an update for those that remember me here.... when i left in 2006, it started a 10 year journey into a new phase.

  no more "safety".

  some people want to be their own person.

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  freddo

  Keep posting!

  I endorse what scratchme 1010 says and add I love the nautical comment you made of "Bullshit Boat" which I shall add to another poster's "Ship of Fools" and the hopeful "Titanic". as a description for GB 2.0 and all their little "Helpers".
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  New light in this weeks WT?

  by Indian Larry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody have any ideas where they are going with the "new light" they have been pushing last week and this week?

  for instance in this weeks study article one section reads:.

  in years gone by, we believed that jehovah became displeased with his people because they did not have a zealous share in the preaching work during world war i. we concluded that for this reason, jehovah allowed babylon the great to take them captive for a short time.

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  I just hope it is all a sign they are polishing the brass and rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.
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  Why do trolls do what they do?

  by Londo111 in

  1. jw
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  i truly don't understand the mindset of a troll.

  i know it's been explained, but i still don't get it.

  it is hard to distinguish between a troll and a jw apologist at times because the reactions are very similar.

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  freddo

  Yup Magwitch - I think it's largely attention-seeking.
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  So what caused you to have doubts in the first place?

  by nicolaou in

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  2. friends

  i had no doubts at all about the 'truth' untill a friend of mine in the cong' began falling away.

  in trying to help him i had to ask questions and do research and that of course cracked the doors of my mind open for the first time in over thirty years.. years ago, when jwd allowed members to have signatures, i used the following quote from voltaire as mine.

  i still love it.. doubt is uncomfortable, certainty is ridiculous..

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  @Nicolaou

  Such a good thread - bumped for a newer "overlapping generation" (which of course wasn't about when this thread was started!).
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  Is it possible to decline preaching in the carts?

  by Skepsis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi folks,.

  i have a difficult dilemma.

  since i'm not pioneering any more, i'm reducing my hours wasted at that artifact known as cart or trolley.

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  freddo

  @skepsis

  By the way, in my country there are congos allowing appointed men with bears and others that don't accept it. It all depends on the desires of the BoE.
  

  With bears??? Well, I suppose the farther a congo is from New York the more the local customs get through ...

  
  
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  What's preventing YOU from stopping meeting attendance?

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we all 'exit' in our own way and at our own pace but i'm curious, why carry on stuffing yourself into that stiff suit and tie or meeting dress years after you realised the truth about 'the truth'?.

  they kept you a prisoner, what's stopping you from leaving now that you have the key to your own cell?.

  loved ones?

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  freddo

  Cowardice.
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  Shunning and apostacy

  by biblexaminer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey folks.

  i have been looking for the latest on shunning of those who have drifted.

  i recall the 2016 convention had a part, and i believe there was a video.

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  freddo

  I certainly heard it at an elders school about ten/fifteen years back. That is - if an elder doesn't believe the end is close then he doesn't qualify.

  There were no instructions as to hunting such ones down but it was read from the outline.