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Luke 12 v 16-21 Rich man and bigger stoehouses.
So WTS, you wouldn't be tearing down old KH's and bethels or selling them off and building flashier, unneeded ones in Warwick USA and Chelmsford UK would you?
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22BLONDIE'S COMMENTS YOU WILL NOT HEAR AT THE FEBRUARY 12, 2017 WT STUDY (MINDING THE SPIRIT) #1
by blondie inin 4 segments because won't post all.. .
segment 1. .
blondie’s comments on the february 12, 2017 wt study (november 2016) (minds on spirit).
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Sparlock is making his rounds again
by stillin ini was at the meeting last night and the dreadful video about caleb and sparlock was forced upon the audience.
honestly, i had forgotten how bad it was.
the mother's manipulative over-reaction and caleb's acceptance that his toy was evil.
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@zeb
Here in the UK I have a pet theory about "this generation of women" - and I mean the great matriarchs (of so many jw families) that are very elderly or have passed away leaving dutiful sons and daughters as elders and "toy removing" finger wagging, stepford automatons.
They lived through WW2. Their fathers and husbands served in the war and the luftwaffe dropped bombs on their cities. They often lost a "loved one in death", they wondered about the churches' explanations and were ripe for those lovely pioneer ladies knocking on their doors as they sat at home with the babies and their husbands worked 48 hours a week to support them.
They and their kids had all the woe and doom reinforced in the 1960's with the Cuban missile crisis, the Cold war with nuclear weapons. Then mad Freddy came along with 1975 and "the generation" and they were locked in.
Their now adult kids (in the 1970's) became the elders that run the show today but who are themselves elderly and passing the mantle to elders in their late 30's through early fifties.
This new generation is (in organisational terms) weaker and flakier. Their wives can't or won't put up with the dutiful existence of their mothers and grandmothers and show signs of mental ill-health and anxiety.
In short the KH's in the UK are less full of the determined and dutiful and more full of the desperate, the depressed, the deluded and the dying.
Any others who stay are going to concerts or camping or cruising or carousing and are careful not to lose their family.
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Infinity versus nothing
by Fisherman insome people like to believe in something others believe in nothing; so in what location did the substance that expanded into the time/space universe exist before the big bang?
where did the energy that caused the big band come from?
how did the substance that became the big bang change from being inert and sterile and come to life to having the properties and drive that it does?
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freddo
I sometimes wonder if "life" has simply always been. Not an all powerful creator, but just life in some form. If there is/was an all powerful creator then I do not believe it has any interest in humans or other inhabitants on Earth beyond - at the very most - an observational, hands completely off interest.
I certainly do not believe it wants to be worshipped and that it would reward those that do.
If it did want to be worshipped in the jw way and would reward those that do in the jw way then I see little point for within a month, or a year or ten years or one hundred years or whenever I or more importantly a loved one would upset it or its "appointed representatives and get zapped.
Over all I don't know and don't mind really. I'm content to take what I have and enjoy it and help my family and others along the way.
Shrugs and reaches for an early morning coffee glad not to be dancing to the "must go on the Saturday morning "ministry"" (cart minding/not homes/no thank yous) tune.
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Sparlock is making his rounds again
by stillin ini was at the meeting last night and the dreadful video about caleb and sparlock was forced upon the audience.
honestly, i had forgotten how bad it was.
the mother's manipulative over-reaction and caleb's acceptance that his toy was evil.
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freddo
Went to my first mid-week meeting this year (2017) and knew this was coming down the pipe. Usual low attendance of about 50 out of 75.
They actually clapped at the end of the video! I couldn't believe it.
A "brother" (awake like me) said to me afterwards that if anyone from outside came and saw this they'd think we were completely nuts.
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Just sharing-Ex JW's in Media
by Confusedandangry inhttps://youtu.be/qvm1prhnoci.
i'm not sure if anyone has already posted this link or info on deborah frances white.
i just wanted to share for anyone interested in hearing her experience.
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@oppostate
"When do other.panel members get to speak?"
This video has been put up in another thread recently. DF/W gets about 18 minutes and in the other thread (which I cannot locate I'm afraid) there are similar amounts of time for all the other panel members. It is a good listen if you can cope with the British accents!
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Is the Mid Week Meeting shorter or longer than before they stopped doing the book study at homes?
by Iamallcool inany takers?.
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Is the Mid Week Meeting shorter or longer than before they stopped doing the book study at homes?
by Iamallcool inany takers?.
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freddo
@Landy
Typical meeting programme:
Pathetic Song
Same old help us listen prayer
"Treasures from God's word" comprising:
10 minute talk about how Jehovah loves us but we will probably die if he has a hissy fit.
"Digging for Spiritual gems"
8 minute Q&A except the Questions and source material are printed so you can parrot the answers.
Bible Reading (4 mins)
Where some stuttering fool or ex-elder (also often a stuttering fool) with a penis reads from "God's Word".
"Apply Yourself to the Ministry" meeting
Initial call (2 mins) Hi buddy - do you think God cares about us - no.
Return Visit (4 mins) Hi buddy, I called yesterday afternoon and we discussed how God will wipe out wickedness. Did we? Oh right let me know more (eye roll).
Bible Study (6 mins) Here look at this stupefying skit on my tablet. Oh how wunnerful! Blah jwdotorg blah see you next week.
"Living as Christians Meeting"
Crappy dirge of a song
(15 minutes) crappy video trumpeting organisation and reminding of donation opportunity. If local needs then leave your willy alone and don't wank to porn like red faced brother we haven't named but who you all know who we're talking about because of the Public Reproof from last month or the elder that blabbed and now you all know anyway.
If upcoming Convention then reminders not to save seats, wear tight trousers, knock over granny on her zimmer (walker) frame and follow attendants instructions. Oh and use our hotels so we get free luxury en-suite rooms with 100 TV channels and drinks gratis.
Congregation "Bible" Study (30 mins)
Kingdom Rules Book "How we worship the Governing Body but don't really and how our prophecies weren't prophecies but always nearly came right despite millions now dead who thought they would be alive rubbish crap lies including new light."
Boring Review of crap just heard plus Preview of next week's crap (3 minutes)
Dirge to guilt trip us and remind us how wunnerful the GB are.
Closing prayer about how we serve shoulder to shoulder as we serve soooooooooo deeeeeeep in the time of the end awaiting your grand promises.
Run for door before keen Secretary asks about your blood card being signed.
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Is the Mid Week Meeting shorter or longer than before they stopped doing the book study at homes?
by Iamallcool inany takers?.
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freddo
It is very boring.
The first of the month doesn't even have real people doing the demo items - you get shadow figures usually with sickly sugary accents and demeanours asking sickly sugary unrealistic questions receiving sickly sugary unrealistic answers.
And as mentioned above adding the revisionist history err ... book study at the end makes it seem as long as a watchtower study even though it is half the length.
Interminable crap, the lot of it.
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How much money people usually donate to WT ?
by Bardamu ini grew up in the org and never got baptised, however i was wondering recently about how much money my family and old friends are wasting in all that.
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i remember of course never talking in amounts, that it was important to give from what you can not what you have etc but i admit i have no clue how much the average witness gives (say in % of their income).. i'm sure it varies greatly, i'd love to hear what you guys have to say..
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freddo
That is spot on Crazyguy.
We had a few older widows, often who outlived their unbelieving husbands who when alive unwittingly "kept" them able to go on the ministry, drive a little car, give them a pension from their jobs and then the ubm would die and the widow had complete control over the finances.
A few years later the widow would die and occasionally a bequest would go to the congregation or WT - even when there were surviving adult children and grandchildren alive. Such is the nature of dependency upon cults.
Most of these have shuffled off the mortal coil and the next group coming through (now in their sixties and seventies) won't be so financially independent.
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How much money people usually donate to WT ?
by Bardamu ini grew up in the org and never got baptised, however i was wondering recently about how much money my family and old friends are wasting in all that.
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i remember of course never talking in amounts, that it was important to give from what you can not what you have etc but i admit i have no clue how much the average witness gives (say in % of their income).. i'm sure it varies greatly, i'd love to hear what you guys have to say..
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freddo
About five years ago i was asked to do the congregation audit and in the past way before that have been the Secretary and before that the Accounts bod.
In our hall, besides what went in the box at the back about a dozen folk had a monthly standing order so that tax on their donations could be reclaimed as per jean-luc picard's post above.
Their monthly amount ranged from £10 per month up to about £100 per month. The vast majority were in the £20 - £25 per month range.
The cash from the box amounted to low £100's and so about £600/£700 went to hall upkeep but only about £100/£200 went on literature although this must be dropping acutely.
Then there would be special drives for decorating or repairs and thousands would pour in. We never struggled financially but didn't seem to be awash with so much dough that we could send large sums off to "Mother".
Occasional bequests came through - usually in the low thousands but in our circuit I heard that an old brother owned an old Rolls-Royce (serviceable runner worth about £10K) and he left it to the congregation to be sold in his will for their benefit.