slimboyfat said "If they were facing the situation in the United States and the GB were compelled to attend the response may be different."
This.
when the arc made their recommendations to the society last year i genuinely thought we'd see some real changes.
oh sure, i expected a lot of feet dragging, double talk, and general nonsense - but at the end of the day i was certain the society would do what they legally had to and then run around claiming:.
) these new policies and procedures aren't really new we've always done them.
slimboyfat said "If they were facing the situation in the United States and the GB were compelled to attend the response may be different."
This.
University students. The brainy type who like to play tricks on people. Quite a few turned up in the fields within an hours drive of Oxford and Cambridge. (Brainy students with good farmland nearby.)
They sneak out in the middle of the night with boards and scythes, carefully walk to the middle of the circle and work outwards using a stake and rope to give the radius of the circle. Then they walk back out in single file carefully putting the stalks back up if they have trodden on any.
In Devon there is a stone circle of nineteen stones about 30 metres across in a field near Seaton - all the stones are about the height of a small man and weigh about half a ton. It looks authentic but it was put there by a "character" farmer in the 1980's with his digger and tractor. After a year or so the soil bedded down and the grass grew and if you stumble across it you'd think it was "real" at first glance.
Edited to add - Just saw punkofnice's video - sorry punky, I should have watched it first!
once again, the arc has brilliantly highlighted the reality that any witness who either fades or disassociates is subjected to active official shunning by the organization.. the "brothers" tried to state that it was the choice of the indiviual who steps away from the organization to shun them!
they actually tried to make it out to be the fault of the one who leaves!
then they tried to say that those who fade are not shunned!.
I noted Eunuch Toady O'Brien saying those who get baptised "know the consequences" (of DA'ing) and that they are adults or near adult age when they get baptised.
Shame the March broadcast mentioning a 10 year old getting baptised wasn't highlighted.
(Also a shame that Jackson and any other of the Seven Spiritual Dwarves were too busy doing the Lord's work picking out curtains for Warwick to appear.)
so, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.
i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.
if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.
I'd go 8.
They are Hypocites. And they shun their own members who truthfully point this out an they run away from those on the outside who truthfully point this out. (Unless they are dragged screaming and kicking to court or commission.)
The two main reasons they do not put the needs of victims of abuse as a high priority are -
1. They are white-washed graves - all about appearances. (They obviously don't believe Satan is laughing and saying to Jehovah "I can see through the antics of your so-called people.")
2. They love money as their source of power and luxury and do not trust their God Jehovah to support them. (So they will never apologise for the damage they have done and they fight financial claims tooth and nail.)
former jw elder and now convicted pedophile/rapist is (finally) behind bars.
i knew the bastard personally and can't tell you how happy i am to see this sick sob behind bars.
just wish it could have happened sooner.. http://www.blumbergs.ca/articles/81-year-old-ontario-man-sentenced-to-11-years-in-prison-in-a-1953-historic-.
Hope you and other victims are doing "OK" misguided.
Thanks for the "BTTT."
Is he still in jail/deceased?
the watchtower library is a great tool to learn more about the watchtower itself.
for example, answering the question "does the word "organization" ever appear in the bible"?
is easy to answer using it.
WT doesn't say a lot about Luke 21 v 8.
Just saying ...
back in 2005, i remember sitting in the stadium in the special rows with 42 others.
8000 people were looking at us - maybe even with a binocular - while listening to the speech.
my family and my friends among them, being all proud of me.. i don't remember being enthusiastic.
Flat.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/convention-program-2017/friday/.
why would our beloved gb member be on the top picture of the program?.
any ideas?.
@ stuck in a rut 2
"preferred death as a salt shaker"
i've been as honest as i can on this forum throughout my time bouncing in and out..and been jumped on for saying anything positive about the "truth" or my experiences at the hall, but it's been a few years now since i have been attending meetings.
i go to the memorial for family reasons and went to the assembly today for the same reason...but one observation i have to make is most of us have all dealt with years of hearing how gawd awful "the world" is and how the only happiness is going to meetings and out in service.
now that is total bs.
Hi integ,
I don't think I've bumped into you on the forum before. Keep posting as your perspective is interesting. You seem to be in the "perfect" faded position with a family that is prepared to tolerate or even be content with the way you conduct yourself.
If you have no anger yet no belief in the BS then that is not a bad place to be.
A very balanced post.
Spare a thought for those actively shunned by their family - especially for those believing little different from you and harming no-one.
BTW - how many were baptised as compared with attendance?
reading another thread made me realise that there are numerous expressions used as everyday witness terminology, that is not in the bible.... such as:.
governing body.
paradise earth.
Report card, Not homes, tract, booklet, pair of magazines
Tax efficient giving
RBC/LDC
Kingdom Hall
Co-ordinator of the Body of Elders
Watchtower Study Overseer
Special diet for circuit overseer's wife
Publishers
Car service group
Clean shaven
Suit coat and tie
Wouldn't want to bring reproach upon Jehovah's name by reporting to the secular authorities
Frowned upon
Call the Legal desk
Circuit Assembly deficit
Microphone handler