Posts by freddo

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Todays WT, study with worldy kids if you can

by purrpurr in

according to today's wt, jws are now encouraged to start bible studys with worldy kids even if their parents dont want to join in.

the wt suggests that the study should take place with the parent present or with another mature jw present.. the wt suggests that studying with the kid may make the parent eventually want a study too.. ...

in what situation would any worldly parent allow some stranger from a werid cult to come jnto their house and convert their children?

freddo

Sometimes you get a parent DF'd but who mentally believes it all.

I remember as an elder being in this situation where the mother of two teenagers had enough of her thick, sometimes physically abusive JW husband and she not only left him, she had an affair with a non-jw guy she knew and basically said "I know it's wrong but I'm moving in with him and I know you will have to DF me."

Anyway we agreed with her (as a jw elder would!) and DF'd her and she had the kids living with her and the husband disappeared off under the radar before we could deal with his abusiveness.

But terms were cordial with the mother and she wanted her kids to go to meetings and have a study which we set up. Long term result?

Mother - still out with no intention of returning

Abusive husband - gone of into the sunset - officially inactive and not returning

Kid 1 - Got baptised then df'd in mid twenties - out and no intention of returning.

Kid 2 - uber pioneer sister

The crazy world of JW-land of which I was an obedient brainwashed pawn ...

Edit ... just read your post "FedUp" - brilliant!

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Need some research help

by JeffT in

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friends

so i'm working on another (fictional) book project and i need some historical help.

i came into the borg in 1973, just as they were starting the new elder arrangement.

i know that before that there was a presiding overseer who (as i understand it) ran the show.

freddo

As you know a young adult JW in the late 1960's would be looking forward to 1975 and would not expect to have any career in this old system of things which would shortly end.

If he was a keen JW he might have been a Regular Pioneer aiming to put 100 hours a month into field ministry or he might be a Vacation Pioneer (now auxiliary pioneer) aiming to put 75 hours in any given month.

But Vienne says it best.

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Motivation for the cart work?

by careful in

could the experience related on p. 6 of the 2009 "bearing thorough witness" about god's kingdom book (the so-called acts commentary) be a motivation for the cart work?

it relates: .

"in the far north, witnesses in alaska take advantage of a unique opportunity to preach during the summer tourist season.

freddo

Anyone in the UK standing at the dockside smiling alluringly could end up in big trouble.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/82fcfa7f698183e0a59878bcf071799c63d63967.jpg

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Is There Anywhere To Go for an Outed JW elder/pedophile enabler?

by mrmagic in

since the australian royal commission, a lot of jw elders have been outed for either being pedophiles/molesters or for enabling it.

the jw elders who enabled it, are publicly outed to their community online and offline.

it's become a congregational matter with the entire kingdom hall and someone said that this elder would lose his eldership possibly, due to it "being known in the congregation and community" that he enabled child sexual abuse.

freddo

As you know darkspilver - standard jw procedure when there is an appeal committee is to have the original committee sat in the same room.

Procedure AFAIK is -

Local Elders initiate contact to CO - "We have a decision appealed."

CO - "I'll send three brothers."

Bigger cases.

CO to Branch "Got a tough one here boys whad'll I do?"

Branch - "We'll sort it and arrange a "Special Committee."

In either case the original elders initiate contact up the food chain.

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Manchester, New Moston Congregation Charity Commission case.

by freddo in

we have had a week or so of occasional national news and certainly local news about this case in north west england.

it is on the government charity website too.. is anyone able to furnish the forum with any information about how it is being perceived in the local community - especially the local jw's?.

or anywhere else?.

freddo

We have had a week or so of occasional national news and certainly local news about this case in north west England. It is on the government charity website too.

Is anyone able to furnish the forum with any information about how it is being perceived in the local community - especially the local JW's?

Or anywhere else?

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Is There Anywhere To Go for an Outed JW elder/pedophile enabler?

by mrmagic in

since the australian royal commission, a lot of jw elders have been outed for either being pedophiles/molesters or for enabling it.

the jw elders who enabled it, are publicly outed to their community online and offline.

it's become a congregational matter with the entire kingdom hall and someone said that this elder would lose his eldership possibly, due to it "being known in the congregation and community" that he enabled child sexual abuse.

freddo

I wonder how the elders in the New Moston, Manchester, England case are faring? The ones that sparked the UK Charity Commission investigation - because they made the sex abuse survivors testify against their abuser face to face - which in turn has made the national news and mainstream media this week?

If it suits the branch they will have parts on the assembly program. Also if it suits the branch they will be demoted. I guess the branch will do neither for the time being.

I don't think the branch is at the stage (i.e. under enough fire) where it is expedient to demote them ... yet.

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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention

by UnshackleTheChains in

yes folks.

over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.

most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.

freddo

"SBF"

Like I said it's a non-sequitur. It doesn't follow there is going to be a WW3.

Mankind has had the potential to wipe each other out with nuclear weapons since - if not 1945 - then certainly the early 1950's when three nations had atomic weapons and 1962 when USA and USSR faced each other off at Cuba with ICBM's.

So once again WT is saying that potential earthwide destruction is a sign of "how very deep we are" in the time of the end and has been saying it - YAWN - for at least 55 to 65 years.

Just another BULL-istic missile in their BULL-shit arsenal of mind control weapons.

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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention

by UnshackleTheChains in

yes folks.

over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.

most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.

freddo

"On the other hand he was much more confident delivering what I think is the strongest JW argument for living in the "last days". That's the observation that WW2 is pretty much the worst war humanity can ever expect to fight without ending civilisation itself. So therefore the end must come before a future war escalates into nuclear holocaust and the end of humanity."

Again it's a non-sequiter.

But anyway let's start with WW2 and it's scale. Surprisingly there are wars from before 1914 that run it close in number of deaths and casualities.

The Taiping rebellion of the mid 19th centurty has various estimates between 20 and 100 million deaths.

The Three Kingdoms war of 3rd century AD has various estimates between 36 and 40 million.

The Mongol Conquests of 13th and 14th century come out at 30 to 40 million.

So plenty of wars to link to bible prophecy. And as a percentage of the world population these wars are "bigger" than WW2.

Now also why should a "future war escalate to a World War and thus to nuclear annhilation?" If it didn't 1962 and the 1970's and 80's when nuclear weapon stickpiles were three times as great? Just because it could doesn't mean it will.

And as mentioned above - we have had 72 years without war on the scale of WW2, WW1 and the wars I have mentioned above.

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Worldly people

by Akid48 in

as i have come to see i have way more friends at school than my kingdom hall but if i get asked about school and i say something about my friends or ask to hang out with my friends to my aunt she gives me a talk about not to like worldly people to much.. for example i ask to go to my friends house (that is a girl)i have known her from 1st grade and my aunt gets mad at me saying what if she says i raped her or something but she lets me go by my self with brothers to hang out if i want but theres a chance i will get raped there to.. read my other posts to understand my story .

akid69.

freddo

It's not your "theme" I take issue with "Rainbow Troll" nor my feeling comfortable or not about it.

It's the fact that this thread is started by a young teenager and you are at least on the face of it divulging your experiences of underage intimacy in some detail.

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Worldly people

by Akid48 in

as i have come to see i have way more friends at school than my kingdom hall but if i get asked about school and i say something about my friends or ask to hang out with my friends to my aunt she gives me a talk about not to like worldly people to much.. for example i ask to go to my friends house (that is a girl)i have known her from 1st grade and my aunt gets mad at me saying what if she says i raped her or something but she lets me go by my self with brothers to hang out if i want but theres a chance i will get raped there to.. read my other posts to understand my story .

akid69.

freddo

Err ... that is a really weird post "Rainbow Troll". Reilly weird.

I hope it gets removed. Especially as this thread has been started by someone who is a young teenager.