Posts by freddo

thats somthing i see thats asked in my kingdom hall if you want to go get more than 2 years in collage.thing in some one asking that to me or etc i cant say any thing or that would show that i dont believe.. i hate when some one askes me that when i try to plan ahead when it comes to what job i want.what job would help me hold my own but no god will give if you put him first.i dont believe in god even when i did i never buyed into that.. it seems you cant get away from the question im only 13 and i get that question theres no getting away from it..

freddo

The Watchtower magazine has been predicting the end (or at least telling us we are very deep in the time of the end) for 138 years ...

Just remind them (and yourself) of Acts 1 v 7 and Luke 21 v 8 ...

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Were your English WT publications in the American "dialect"?

by compound complex in

greetings, friends:.

the opening query is presented, loosely, in the past tense, assuming that you are not currently a reader of watchtower publications.. not that i'm already rather certain of your reply, it's just that i would like to know if in your english-speaking country (or esl [english as second language]) the society deigned to tailor the publications to your spellings, expressions, idiomatic renderings, etc.

as you will read below, so-called american english is a dialect of english.. i found this online under american english vs. british english:.

freddo

Forgot to add:

When we had paper Kingdom Ministries printed in London for the British field we had proper British English!

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Were your English WT publications in the American "dialect"?

by compound complex in

greetings, friends:.

the opening query is presented, loosely, in the past tense, assuming that you are not currently a reader of watchtower publications.. not that i'm already rather certain of your reply, it's just that i would like to know if in your english-speaking country (or esl [english as second language]) the society deigned to tailor the publications to your spellings, expressions, idiomatic renderings, etc.

as you will read below, so-called american english is a dialect of english.. i found this online under american english vs. british english:.

freddo

Saying you need to keep your yard tidy to an Englishman with a garden is almost an insult.

Over here a yard is the sort of place where you keep scrap cars and a pair of dobermanns!

Yes we still get American English publications over here. Indeed Pubs is a good one.

YANK: Hi there y'all! How many pubs. in your circuit?

BRIT: Hmmm, about 300.

YANK: Only 300?

BRIT: Yes. There's one on the corner of my street selling Guinness at £4.00 a pint.

YANK: Huhhhh?

And of course we have to "L"'s in travelling overseer, not one.

But strangely the Welsh RTO is a £900,000 luxury house for those millions of Welsh speakers that "need the truth in their mother tongue".

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Help with acceptance for JW family still in

by MaryKN in

well, it's been a long time!

i first lurked here around 20 years ago and read huge amounts of threads which certainly helped when i was making my decision to leave the religion.

i was never baptised (resisted it!

freddo

Fantastic advice here and welcome to all the recent posters!

But never say never. Just don't hitch your hopes and dreams to that wagon.

I'm a born in an ex-elder of 30 years and it took several years to wake up. But I did.

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When is the last time you saw an educated middle class family become Jehovah's Witnesses?

by xjwsrock in

we know from casual observation that if anybody does respond to their preaching/recruiting work it is usually someone that is a social misfit in some way or a person that was indoctrinated early in life.. think about all the nicer neighborhoods witnesses preach in.

if a family of four with a father that is an engineer and a mother who is a medical professional ever walked into a kingdom hall for the first time and said they were studying, people would faint.

lol.... this of course isn't what you would expect from a religion backed by the ultimate intelligent creator.

freddo

In the late 60's and early seventies, especially pre '75 we'd get a few families from door to door, (Mum, Dad, Kids - not middle class though) some that are still around now as grandparents, kids and grandchildren - attending meetings and become the elders from the first or second born-in generation.

But they are now dying and going into care homes (the original parents) and some of their kids in their 40's and 50's are a lot less committed (lots of hols and absenteeism). The grandchildren below age 30 just hang on in there for social reasons or have become absent.

But the last family that came in from the door to door work would be in the 80's. Since then it's been oddball singles and vulnerable single mothers.

Give it 3 years and I reckon our three eldest elders (late 70's) from this era and their wives will be "spare wheels" as in useless to run any KH stuff, in and out of hospital, in care homes or dead.

The last middle class types seem to be the now elderly sons of women who came in from door to door in the 1940's and 50's who were supported financially by their non jw middle class husbands.

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JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

by Edison Trent in

a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

freddo

Another way would be simply to have a CO cover two circuits (40 congs - maybe less with cong closures) with help from Sub CO's. Maybe rename them T.O.'s (Travelling Overseer).

1st visit REAL CO. 2nd visit SUB CO. 3rd visit REAL CO. 4th visit sub CO etc.

"Good" congo's might get two Sub CO visits in a row. "Naughty" ones an extra REAL C.O. visit.

That way you halve the number of CO's at a stroke. Save a fortune. The only extra expense might be more miles on the "circuit car".

Control pretty much maintained. $$$$ up. Expenses down. Sub CO's can feel important and have more wannabe pioneer elders reaching out.

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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

freddo

After Jesus died and the Apostles ran the Christian church in the first century where did they meet for worship?

(In each others homes or they might rent a room - last supper)

And when Jesus was on the earth, where did he reside?

(Nowhere to lay his head - Matt 8 v 20)

So why does your organisation feel the need to own thousands of kingdom halls and build luxurious HQ's in Warwick and London?

(Need to support worldwide work ...)

Well with the internet and JWTV surely they just need a warehouse and a few offices out in the sticks and not take widows houses and Sophia's ice cream money?

(Lalalalala/Apostate/I can't hear you!")

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JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

by Edison Trent in

a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

freddo

Pure speculation here ...

Now we have Regional Conventions n'est-ce pas? Typically bigger than CA's and smaller than DC's were.

I could see the borg getting rid of society paid CO's and having a society paid Regional Overseer instead.

Here's the plan, Stan ...

Let's say that depending on geography, demographic etc., that in "the west" a Regional Convention is attended by between about three and five circuits. So you have ONE society paid R.O. plus (usually) Mrs. R.O. too. (Maybe assign an unpaid Asst. from among the local heavyweights too; after all less building work for new KH's mean more thumb twiddlers from the old RBC that would like to get away from the alternative trolley cart work.)

Now you keep your circuits but the R.O. only attends these once per year/once per two years and you extend the cycle to every four years (less admin to faff about playing musical chairs with too) so that the congs only have the REAL DEAL every year or other year instead of six monthly.

All the other visits are done by the "wannabe" Substitute CO's (now R.O.) who use their own vehicles and submit limited expenses to the borg direct but get most of their costs from the congs directly. No Circuit Flat, no circuit car, health cover, etc.

By increasing the unpaid Sub CO's to say six per circuit from the local area you have opportunity for the pioneer wannabe's to "Reach Out" and do a bit of "lording it".

You could go further and say make the CO visit every 9 months or just annually.

Result ...

1. $$$$$$ saved by the bucket load.

2. Still got control because if a cong. goes "off piste" the R.O/Branch can get stuck in.

3. Incentive for wannabe's to be C.O. Lite.