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  Loving a JW

  by stevilla in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  here’s a little back story.

  i met this jw girl 4 months ago online and found out she was a jw 2 months later after confessing my liking for her.

  we had a long conversation about it with her explaining what exactly a jw is and the rules and what not.

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  freddo

  "stevilla, you are an exceptionally wise and understanding guy. "

  /\ This.
  
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  Loving a JW

  by stevilla in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  here’s a little back story.

  i met this jw girl 4 months ago online and found out she was a jw 2 months later after confessing my liking for her.

  we had a long conversation about it with her explaining what exactly a jw is and the rules and what not.

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  freddo

  Okay ...

  Don't pressure her. Stay on here and learn how to "leave jw's" try jwfacts website and you will see the option to "fade". To do this successfully takes years.

  This is the only chance to get away from jw's with any hope of her having contact with her family. And this depends upon their following of the rules - and sadly if one decides to disobey the rules then the others may well obey them fully. A lottery indeed.

  However if you do normal things that young couples do (and are caught or your g/f has a guilty conscience and confesses) - as in have a sexual relationship when not married - including sexual expressions of affection such as handjobs etc. then she will be disfellowshipped.

  If you meet up and do not have a sexual relationship - such as going on vacation together unchaperoned even with separate rooms then the elders (if they find out) will convene a judicial committee and likely disfellowship her for "brazen" conduct.

  If you marry without having been caught for any of the above she will be "marked" as bad association and "not quite shunned" at least until you marry and then a bit afterwards.

  So if after reading the above you are in for the long haul - you have a chance.

  Take it slow - try to meet up clandestinely and get to know one another properly - the next stage would be to make plans. Consult here often.

  Have you got the patience for this? Is it really worth the effort and investment? Only you can decide.

  It is a minefield!
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  Loving a JW

  by stevilla in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  here’s a little back story.

  i met this jw girl 4 months ago online and found out she was a jw 2 months later after confessing my liking for her.

  we had a long conversation about it with her explaining what exactly a jw is and the rules and what not.

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  freddo

  And thank you to "Punk - Flying Mallet - ofnice" for your input!

  Sadly, much of what Punky says is true.

  Now stevilla ...

  A few questions so we can help a little more and not shoot from the hip.

  How old are you both. Is she baptised. What is her family background?

  Thank you and welcome!
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  W5 Investigation

  by Christian Gutierrez in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey guys!

  i just want you guys to know that today is a really great day.

  there are so many jehovah's witnesses that saw this documentary and were disgusted by watchtowers policy.

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  freddo

  I'm in the UK and I viewed it on youtube. (I'm PIMO) Also another largely PIMO friend in my cong viewed it.

  It was excellent. Well done!
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  If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

  once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

  and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

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  freddo

  I like to think small but significant.

  Any decrease worldwide would be significant. But I guess if that happens the numbers will be spun further. They already use Peak publishers and have dropped "average publishers". I believe they have done this only because the "average publishers" looks worse - possibly already in decline?

  When the "Peak publishers" declines then that statistic may well disappear.

  So either a published decline = genuine decline.

  No figures published = genuine decline

  Spun figures = likely genuine decline "recounted" to make a tiny increase.

  Watch out for "love of the greater number cooling off" being trumpeted as a "good thing".
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  Transferring Congregations

  by optimisticskeptic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is included in the publisher cards and other information when you transfer from one congregation to another?

  i was privately reproved and may be moving to a congregation where there are brothers i rather not know why i was privately reproved.

  is the fact i was privately reproved visible but not the reason why?

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  freddo

  How long ago was the P.R?

  The Service Committee will decide what to write and may well consult the judicial committee or the whole body for input - certainly your group overseer.

  If you have all "privileges" back and you move a good year afterwards you might get away with no mention if you have been a "good boy/girl".

  I wouldn't discount a "not so discreet" phone call from CoBE to CoBE as well, mind.

  3 years is "normal".

  If you are "irritating" the elders - simply by sparodic meeting attendance or not complying with their demands then anything up to 5 years will earn you a dishonourable mention in any letter!

  And no, you cannot demand a copy or sight of it and the receiving body - who will have it read to all of them - will be instructed to discard it once done.

  Nice eh?
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  2 Kingdom Halls burned in Washington

  by Lynnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  on the local news last night it was reported that two kingdom halls in olympia wa were set fire to.

  i wonder who has a grudge with those congregations?

  unfortunately we know the jw"s eat this crap up and enjoy the "persecution.

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  freddo

  April Broadcast

  Gary Breaux: (takes out onion to induce tears)

  "Blah blah ... persecution ... blah blah ... time of the end ... need money to restore these wonderful places of worship ... send your donations.

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  When the dust settles - CO in Kingdom halls area to bodies of elders for all congregations sharing the burned kingdom halls.

  "And so brothers you'll need to stay in Outer Fumbuck for your meetings from now on as we aren't rebuilding the kingdom halls and are selling the land to developers."

  ...

  Am I just a little too cynical nowadays?
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  The increase in the Anointed Ones

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to illustrate how the botchtower's groupies are losing brain cells...last year an elder told me some of the increase in the anointed is due to those who have been unfaithful and needed to be replaced.

  when i was in first grade i knew that if i had 10 marbles and i lost one and a friend gave me a marble to replace the one i lost that i once again had 10 not 11 marbles.. jdubs are very good at not thinking..

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  freddo

  Of course let's say a replacement (as mentioned this idea died out like they did in the 70's and 80's - don't forget the "door" was closed in 1935 - and reopened a crack in 2007) is made due to an original anointed getting DF.

  So if the original DF gets reinstated and still says he/she is anointed you have minus one (leaver) plus one (new fella) plus one (reinstated) = TWO.

  All a bag of shit really.
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  My take upon reading CoC for the 1st time

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wow!

  the gb.

  1.0 demanded absolute loyalty back then too.

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  freddo

  Please don't take this the wrong way but I believe America is behind the curve when it comes to calling fundamentalist and stricter "Christian" religions to account.

  Mind you the whole of the west seems to be happy to let them have charitable status way too easily.
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  Classic Talk Regarding KH Consolidation

  by lepermessiah in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last night i was listening in as my spouse was on the phone line.

  there was a big "local needs" talk announced and it was speculated to be about the congregation reshuffling.. that ended up to be the case.

  i thought i used to lay it on thick from the platform....... this was the ultimate spin job - worthy of political office or a spot on the governing body.. one thing that stood out "while the numbers may not necessarily indicate it, it is clear jehovah is speeding up the work".

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  freddo

  That's true - especially in the "west".

  In my hall we've had 5 over 70's die in the last two years. Cong size 70 'ish.