Posts by freddo

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United Nations

by Sergey Antonov in

hello, recently, i talked with the witness of the united states.

"jehovah's witnesses" in the united nations.

as far as i understand, the organization had to fully accept the un charter and cooperate with the un.the jehovah's witness replied to me that there is no contradiction in this.he said that witnesses are allowed to apply, for example, to courts or other organizations for help.when i told him that the organization is participating in the osce, he is said to be normal too.he said that they are not affected.

freddo

Well look how JW's describe the United Nations in their own literature ... (bold text added by me)

*** w89 5/15 pp. 5-6 Babylon the Great—Her Execution ***

How False Religion Will Perish

In highly symbolic language, the book of Revelation describes the destruction of Babylon the Great. At Revelation 17:16 we read: “The ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.” “The ten horns” symbolize all the political powers now on the world scene and that support the United Nations, the “scarlet-colored wild beast,” itself the image of the Devil’s bloodstained political system.—Revelation 16:2; 17:3.

You might ask ... "Why would you want to join that?"
Welcome by the way!

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This Article Won't Change Your Mind - Great Read

by cofty in

this article won’t change your mind - the facts on why facts alone can’t fight false beliefs.

brilliant article in the atlantic by julie beck discussing the phenomena of cognitive dissonance and how it affects religious and political beliefs.

it includes some interesting thoughts on how social media has magnified the problem.. spoiler - she is not optimistic about the possibility of successfully reasoning with members of religious cults.. the article also has a link to the 45 minute audio version.. link....

freddo

When the "social reasons" at a personal level for staying a jw fail (child abuse/family DF'd) or accumulate (false promises/haughtiness/cliques/lack of love/looked down upon/mistreated) then facts can also accumulate, creep in and help liberate.

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The WTS thinks Jesus was a liar or an incompetent fool?

by TTWSYF in

the whole idea of a great apostasy means that jesus was lying [or he was a crazy fool] when he said that he would be with his church until the end of the age.

matt 28- 18then jesus came to them and said, “all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

19therefore go and make disciples of allnations, baptizing them in the name of the father,and of the son, and of the holy spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that i have commanded you.

freddo

Does the WTS think Jesus was a liar or a fool?

They don't care - they just use him as a tool.

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2018 Convention :The Cry for "Peace & Security"

by jwdoctrine in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzsk2k9y7qs&t=835s.

the talk of the cry for "peace & security" from the sunday morning program.

freddo

I remember that jws. (Bold added by me but italics are in the original text)

*** tp chap. 7 p. 85 pars. 30-31 When Will the Foretold World Destruction Come? ***

30 Yet one more event will come as an unmistakable signal that world destruction is imminent. Of this the apostle Paul wrote: “Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying: ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them . . . and they will by no means escape.”—1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3; Luke 21:34, 35.

31 The world’s leaders know that a nuclear war means virtual extinction. Also, critical problems such as pollution, the population explosion, and domestic problems demand attention and money. So they want to relax the strained international relations. An evidence of this is the proclamation by the United Nations of 1986 as the ‘international year of peace and security.’ This, no doubt, is a step toward the fulfillment of Paul’s above-quoted words. Of course, political negotiations and treaties are not making any real changes in people to cause them to love one another. They are not putting a stop to crime, nor are they eliminating disease and death. Yet the prophecy shows that the time will come when the nations will declare that they have achieved a measure of “peace and security.” When that happens, then “sudden destruction” will come “instantly” upon those misleaders of mankind, along with all who put their trust in them.

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WT gives up on making disciples! No joke!

by nowwhat? in

yep, taps out, throws in the towel, waves the white flag!

in today's watchtower it basically said don't expect any results due to widespread apathy and opposition.

but you can still bear fruit just by going through the motions of being regular in field service.

freddo

Yep - I had a discussion with another PIMO who went to this and he said that the WT conductor said the fruit of the work is scattering seeds not the actual fruit that grows.

Most of the answers were self justification about how "this article makes me feel good even though I don't get much in the way of results."

So a big pat on the back for sitting on your derriere watching the world go by and having the bus driver call out "Good Job!" and a kiddie "waves" on her way to school.

And the only really commendable thing that happened was that some "worldly" gave them a bunch of flowers.

5 hours a day, six days a week on a trolley in your eighties. 30 hours and no response;

#HOPELESS WASTE OF A LIFE.

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

freddo

Anyway - stop worrying about Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, he's getting three square meals a day, TV, exercise and enjoying the kudos from his fellow lags (and probably a good few of his guards) - he might even be writing another book.

He'll be out before Xmas.

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Things to do when im at the new 2018 convention

by Akid48 in

well, its that time where i have to go to the boring convention.

so, i wanted to know if anyone had any good ideas on how too pass the time (i cant just try and listen i fall will asleep and i cant let that happen).. (only got a few weeks before i have to go its going too kill me but i got too do it).

.

freddo

To a degree Wake me up is causing divisions in opposition to Jehovah so she will have to be put adjacent to the hippopotamus.

That's my angle on it anyway.

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Tonight’s meeting

by lastmanstanding in

this post is for the lurking dub.

the pimc (physically in, mentally confused) lurker dub.

the guy who reads the watchtower stuff and scratches his head, sure something is amiss but not sure of what’s really happening.. it may also be of some interest to those curious of the nuts and bolts of watchtower’s methods of scripture twisting.. in tonight’s “digging for spiritual gems: (8 min.

freddo

Excellent synopsis LMS. I always found this lame explanation troublesome.

And PIMC - we have a new and brilliant acronym. So accurate for many at the KH

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

freddo

Is that all you got from my post Simon?

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

freddo

I dunno Simon - I just don't see pro-Islam lies and propaganda in Abaddon's posts. I see a well put point of view that is pro-moderate and anti extremist.

Cofty puts a well reasoned point of view too in that Islam is the religion presently used by most extremists to foment their evil.

I believe that British money spent on schools (e.g.) in Pakistan (e.g.) is one of the best ways to spend foreign aid. And with the British background I believe we should spend on foreign aid especially in ex empire countries we have had strong links with. Also building relationships through common sports such as cricket is good too.

I also believe that any religious extremist that kills or threatens to kill should be dealt with severely. Life imprisonment and death penalty included.

Also that anyone (in general terms) who is in a western country illegally should be immediately returned to their country of origin. If they come back then they should be imprisoned for a year before being sent back. Come again and caught then (say) five years.