source: http://stratfordobserver.co.uk/news/jehovahs-witness-jailed-for-sexual-activity-with-a-child-8997/.
a jehovahs witness from stratford who took part in sexual activity with a 15-year-old girl has been struggling with those demons for the last seven or eight years, a judge has heard.. but pleas for craig allen, who was said to have support from the jehovahs witness congregation, not to be jailed cut no ice with a judge at warwick crown court.. the 43 year-old of evesham road, dodwell, was jailed for two years and eight months and ordered to register as a sex offender for life after he pleaded guilty to two charges of sexual activity with a child.. prosecutor andrew wallace said allen had met the girl in the mid-2000s through the church.. the girl, now a young woman in her 20s, said she began to fancy allen, who had started to pay her compliments.. then on one occasion when he gave her a lift, despite being fully aware she was only 15, allen sexually touched her.. she did not object or tell anyone what had happened, and there were further consensual incidents between them, including various types of sexual activity but not full intercourse.. someone who suspected what was going on between allen, a family man in his 30s, and the girl said something to her mother.. but when she challenged both her daughter and allen about what she had heard, they both denied it.. things stopped after the girl began to feel guilty about what was happening, and she eventually decided to come forward last year and contacted the police.. she said she had been dramatically affected by what had gone on, and that what happened with allen caused her to suffer a breakdown and still haunted her.. when allen was questioned by the police he accepted the incidents had taken place, but claimed it was the girl who had taken the lead.. elizabeth power, defending, said allen, who has a son and a daughter who were now both in their 20s, had attended for a voluntary interview with the police and made admissions.. he did not force himself on her but he was the adult and she was a child.
he says he was weak and was attracted to her.
No warehouse - over here if the male had been 16 or 17 it is unlikely there would have been a court case. If 18 or 19 then a much lighter sentence, certainly no jail term but a re-education program.
This is because UK law gives discretion to judges and can see the difference between a sex act committed by a just legally adult teenager and a mature man whose sexual switch isn't functioning right.
Unlike you it would seem.
source: http://stratfordobserver.co.uk/news/jehovahs-witness-jailed-for-sexual-activity-with-a-child-8997/.
a jehovahs witness from stratford who took part in sexual activity with a 15-year-old girl has been struggling with those demons for the last seven or eight years, a judge has heard.. but pleas for craig allen, who was said to have support from the jehovahs witness congregation, not to be jailed cut no ice with a judge at warwick crown court.. the 43 year-old of evesham road, dodwell, was jailed for two years and eight months and ordered to register as a sex offender for life after he pleaded guilty to two charges of sexual activity with a child.. prosecutor andrew wallace said allen had met the girl in the mid-2000s through the church.. the girl, now a young woman in her 20s, said she began to fancy allen, who had started to pay her compliments.. then on one occasion when he gave her a lift, despite being fully aware she was only 15, allen sexually touched her.. she did not object or tell anyone what had happened, and there were further consensual incidents between them, including various types of sexual activity but not full intercourse.. someone who suspected what was going on between allen, a family man in his 30s, and the girl said something to her mother.. but when she challenged both her daughter and allen about what she had heard, they both denied it.. things stopped after the girl began to feel guilty about what was happening, and she eventually decided to come forward last year and contacted the police.. she said she had been dramatically affected by what had gone on, and that what happened with allen caused her to suffer a breakdown and still haunted her.. when allen was questioned by the police he accepted the incidents had taken place, but claimed it was the girl who had taken the lead.. elizabeth power, defending, said allen, who has a son and a daughter who were now both in their 20s, had attended for a voluntary interview with the police and made admissions.. he did not force himself on her but he was the adult and she was a child.
he says he was weak and was attracted to her.
@warehouse - oh dear. You do not sound good at all.
As for your "measly three years" well it's actually only one measly year in most situations in the UK as the age of consent is generally 16 over here unless there is a position of trust such as teacher/pupil. But it is a firmly drawn line and so it should be.
But if you want to defend a 15 year old girl being involved with a 35 year old married man and them being equally culpable you crack on pal. Shameful.
Completely different from teenagers of similar age experimenting with one just over and one just under the age of consent.
when somebody posted this on fb, i was anxious to see how ridiculous it would be, probably worse then the gb prophecies, etc.
after watching the clip, i honestly don't know what to believe.
at the very least it's very entertaining and interesting.
simon.
this is your forum.
for the rc have it all wrong.. i am wrong to follow the accurate guidance of these commissioners.
Sorry ... what is this about? Are you all right Umbertoecho? PM if you like?
If I have a choice to trust the Royal Commission or anyone else on this matter then it's the Royal Commission for me!
source: http://stratfordobserver.co.uk/news/jehovahs-witness-jailed-for-sexual-activity-with-a-child-8997/.
a jehovahs witness from stratford who took part in sexual activity with a 15-year-old girl has been struggling with those demons for the last seven or eight years, a judge has heard.. but pleas for craig allen, who was said to have support from the jehovahs witness congregation, not to be jailed cut no ice with a judge at warwick crown court.. the 43 year-old of evesham road, dodwell, was jailed for two years and eight months and ordered to register as a sex offender for life after he pleaded guilty to two charges of sexual activity with a child.. prosecutor andrew wallace said allen had met the girl in the mid-2000s through the church.. the girl, now a young woman in her 20s, said she began to fancy allen, who had started to pay her compliments.. then on one occasion when he gave her a lift, despite being fully aware she was only 15, allen sexually touched her.. she did not object or tell anyone what had happened, and there were further consensual incidents between them, including various types of sexual activity but not full intercourse.. someone who suspected what was going on between allen, a family man in his 30s, and the girl said something to her mother.. but when she challenged both her daughter and allen about what she had heard, they both denied it.. things stopped after the girl began to feel guilty about what was happening, and she eventually decided to come forward last year and contacted the police.. she said she had been dramatically affected by what had gone on, and that what happened with allen caused her to suffer a breakdown and still haunted her.. when allen was questioned by the police he accepted the incidents had taken place, but claimed it was the girl who had taken the lead.. elizabeth power, defending, said allen, who has a son and a daughter who were now both in their 20s, had attended for a voluntary interview with the police and made admissions.. he did not force himself on her but he was the adult and she was a child.
he says he was weak and was attracted to her.
source: http://stratfordobserver.co.uk/news/jehovahs-witness-jailed-for-sexual-activity-with-a-child-8997/.
a jehovahs witness from stratford who took part in sexual activity with a 15-year-old girl has been struggling with those demons for the last seven or eight years, a judge has heard.. but pleas for craig allen, who was said to have support from the jehovahs witness congregation, not to be jailed cut no ice with a judge at warwick crown court.. the 43 year-old of evesham road, dodwell, was jailed for two years and eight months and ordered to register as a sex offender for life after he pleaded guilty to two charges of sexual activity with a child.. prosecutor andrew wallace said allen had met the girl in the mid-2000s through the church.. the girl, now a young woman in her 20s, said she began to fancy allen, who had started to pay her compliments.. then on one occasion when he gave her a lift, despite being fully aware she was only 15, allen sexually touched her.. she did not object or tell anyone what had happened, and there were further consensual incidents between them, including various types of sexual activity but not full intercourse.. someone who suspected what was going on between allen, a family man in his 30s, and the girl said something to her mother.. but when she challenged both her daughter and allen about what she had heard, they both denied it.. things stopped after the girl began to feel guilty about what was happening, and she eventually decided to come forward last year and contacted the police.. she said she had been dramatically affected by what had gone on, and that what happened with allen caused her to suffer a breakdown and still haunted her.. when allen was questioned by the police he accepted the incidents had taken place, but claimed it was the girl who had taken the lead.. elizabeth power, defending, said allen, who has a son and a daughter who were now both in their 20s, had attended for a voluntary interview with the police and made admissions.. he did not force himself on her but he was the adult and she was a child.
he says he was weak and was attracted to her.
I agree wholeheartedly with Konceptual.
If it was an older teenager - certainly a sixteen or seventeen year old then I would say no crime deserving any jail term.
I would even go up to say 18 or even 19 for the boy because it is fairly normal for a 15 year old girl to have a 17 or 18 year old boyfriend.
20 plus and we are getting into deeper water every year the age of the older participant (male or female) goes up.
There is no excuse for any man of this age (30's plus) to do what he did and prison is right IMO. It is a question of degree and situation. A workmate of mine who I have known for over ten years confided that he had got his girlfriend pregnant when he was 19 and she was 15. They married and now have four kids and have been together for 25 years.
@Prologos
Two teenagers being sexually active doesn't have the same level of criminality (if any) as one participant being 20 years older than the underage teenager.
hi all - thought you might be interested in the instructions for the answer sheet for the new meeting - full document to follow:-.
"our christian life and ministry meeting answer sheetfor use by meeting chairman for weeks of january 4-25, 2016source material: new world translation of the holy scriptures [nwt] and thewatchtower [w].instructions: these review questions correspond to material found in treasuresfrom gods word.
well in advance, the meeting chairman should ensure that theelder or ministerial servant assigned a part during treasures from gods word willconsider the question and answer for the week.
Indeed it is staggering SF...
Q1 What is the most practical step we can take to prepare for future difficulties?... w13 11/15 p20 para 17
"... We must all be ready to obey any instructions that we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking."
Q2 What encouragement can we draw from Josiah's example?
"... Josiah's repentant grandfather, Manasseh, may have exerted a positive influence on him," ... !!!!!!!!! (exclamation marks mine.)
Q3 Contains ... "and make voluntary donations to further the ... work."
Q4. Blah blah "threat of intermarriage" blah blah
how many of us were woken up by some apostate yelling false prophets at a convention?.
how many of us were woken up by someone holding a sign and yelling, what happened to 1975.
how many of us were coerced to investigate the wt because some ex-jw pulled up a bunch of old watchtowers magazines and told us to read the false predictions?.
Short answer - this forum.
Long answer ...
Looking back, some of the stuff that the org was spewing out jarred with me. The huge generation change of 1995 was a biggie although not decisively so at the time. Beards and pant-suits always stuck in my craw as did other petty rules. Sex rules that weren't in the Bible such as masturbation and oral sex with your marriage mate irritated me too.
Old testament brutality and capriciousness on the part of Jehovah "who never changes" WTF?
Though funnily enough I am always grateful for the stance on smoking - I come from a family background where about 50% were smokers and I could have got addicted.
But when I came on this forum about ten years later and saw that others felt the same way about many of the same things as I did, well that gradually woke me up.
Not instantly and probably a few years before I finally felt able to mentally dismiss anything the org said or did.
thank you all for your sincere encouragement during these last few weeks.
finally, she is at peace.
i was with her , holding her hand when she died.
something occurred to me last night.
people that made their pilgrimage to jw mecca (bethel) would often be excited about some silly things, i say silly because for those of you who were there or lived near enough to be involved in these things regularly they lost their magic.
i am talking about on tours one of the most memorable things people talked about or looked forward to... lunch.
I remember going to London Bethel on a congregation coach not long after I resigned being an elder. We were only about an hour away and it was a pleasant day in May and the tour left us enough daylight to do something else - maybe see some sights or stop at one of the London museums on the way back or visit the gardens of a stately home (mansion with large landscaped grounds) and have a picnic.
But no ... we had to think about being up bright and ready for the ministry in the morning so that was voted down by the elders on board.
The next time my wife wanted to go and I said sure I'll take the car so I dropped her and her friend off and I went to the Imperial War Museum and picked them up five hours later on the way back! Much more interesting.
Tell me again how fast those presses go? Yawn.
