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  Is "fornication" still used by Witnesses?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 2013 the revised nwt came out and changed the old edition's "fornication" and its related words "fornicating," "fornicator" etc.

  in all their roughly 70 occurrences.

  has the word completely dropped from usage in the witness world?

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  freddo

  Because in jw land "Porneia" encompasses ...

  Handjobs/Blowjobs/Cunnilingus/Breastjobs/Anal/Vaginal sex

  Any other penetrative sex that my sheltered mind cannot think of...

  Oh ... and shagging the family dog or sheep ...
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  Mid 80's quote on 1934 not being start of the Last Days

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can anyone remember this?.

  in a mid-80s i seem to remember a publication with a box on a page.. inside the box it was saying something like 'some have wondered if 1934 could be the correct starting date, if 587bce was the fall of jerusalem.

  but history has shown it was 1914'.. does this ring any bells?.

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  freddo

  WT 1st Nov 1986

  Pasted from WT CD-ROM 2014; Bold Print added by Freddo

  *** w86 11/1 p. 6 A Dream Reveals How Late It Is ***

  [Box on page 6]

  When Did the “Seven Times” Really End?

  Some people argue that even if the “seven times” are prophetic and even if they last 2,520 years, Jehovah’s Witnesses are still mistaken about the significance of 1914 because they use the wrong starting point. Jerusalem, they claim, was destroyed in 587/6 B.C.E., not in 607 B.C.E. If true, this would shift the start of “the time of the end” by some 20 years. However, in 1981 Jehovah’s Witnesses published convincing evidence in support of the 607 B.C.E. date. (“Let Your Kingdom Come,” pages 127-40, 186-9) Besides, can those trying to rob 1914 of its Biblical significance prove that 1934—or any other year for that matter—has had a more profound, more dramatic, and more spectacular impact upon world history than 1914 did?

  
  
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  research for my book

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when exactly in the 1990's did the society change their stance of the meaning of the "generation'" that would not pass away that saw 1914?

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  freddo

  The November 1st 1995 Watchtower had the study articles.

  The Nov 8th Awake had a new masthead dropping the 1914 date which up to and including the Oct 22nd Awake had specified the generation that saw 1914.

  Google "Awake masthead generation 1995"
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  November 2017 JW broadcasting HYPOCRISY!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok...so i am on a bit of a temper tantrum rant here...but if anyone has (endured) watched this month's broadcast, you will know what i mean!.

  i have only watched 20 mins so far, and the hypocrisy is mind blowing.

  they dare to go on about how thoroughly they research the material produced, so that errors are prevented etc.. for instance, the actually say how they ensure that a scientist is not misquoted, or that an "evolutionist" is not inaccurately quoted to make it seem like his comments are different to his intentions.

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  freddo

  Let 'em keep their two witness rule.

  Just obey the "Superior Authorities" (Romans 13 v 1) and report the crime of child abuse to them.
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  11-5-17 Warwick Protest Photos

  by thebrokenkite in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  let the reader use discernment:.

  i was disfellowshipped in june of last year.

  while i've been awake for nearly a year, i still often feel groggy.

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  freddo

  Diogenesister said "But what I'm dying to ask is:

  Did y'all wear headbands and wave sticks?!😂😂😂"

  I would add, and of course have a helium filled seven headed dragon in tow.
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  In theory, can one be disfellowshipped for attempted suicide?

  by Saename in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was recently reading the reasons for disfellowshipping as listed in shepherd the flock of god.

  the handbook is available online here: https://thetruthofjehowaswittness.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/jehovas-vitner.pdf.. on page 59, point #4, it lists attempted suicide as a reason for disfellowshipping.

  has it ever been removed?

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  freddo

  As a long time JW in the UK and being aware of several attempted suicides among jw's from the 1970's through until now and being an elder between the late 80's and the late 2000's I have never known of a judicial committee being formed to deal with attempted suicide.

  It has always been mentioned as a possibility in the Shepherd the Flock books ranging from the paperback pre-green elder books, through the green book to the latest one.

  I think from memory and anecdotally older brothers said it may have happened in the 1960's but then in the UK it was a "crime" but even the legal system erred on the side of "diminished responsibility" aka mental health issues.

  So theoretically possible but I have never known or heard of it in the last 40 years in the UK.
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  Witnessing Just After Sunrise

  by Iamallcool in

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  2. friends

  about everytime i go to the grocery store just after sunrise, i can see the witnesses sitting and waiting inside their cars to distribute literature.

  it is not against the law for them to do that.

  i was wondering do they allow parking lot witnessing in your area?.

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  freddo

  In my pre-cart "lead from the front" elder days a group of us would do "street work" on a Saturday morning once a month. This gave us five hours on our reports (although that was never mentioned) and this what we would do.

  Meet at 7 am about two miles from the town/city centre and walk down a bus route through shops to said centre of town. On the way into town you might find one or two stood at a bus stop and you might hand them a "panda" tract (remember them?). A baker or a newsagent would be open and so you'd leave a tract and maybe buy some confectionery or a doughnut.

  You might encounter delivery drivers and one or two folk walking along and so (of course) you hand them a tract.

  By about 8 o'clock you go into a local cafe for a coffee for about half an hour or more and then walk back up through the route you came down engaging with (different) people on the bus stops etc. You'd get to your car by about 9.15 and drive to either the KH or a group for "field service" at about 9.45 and leave there about half an hour later to go to the "territory" at about 10.30 am. Then you would "work" on first call until about 11 am or 11.15 and go for "coffee" at a local sister's house and then do a RV and leave "the territory" about 12.15.

  So from 7.00 to 12.15 less fifteen minutes for the "official group" (can't count that!) is five hours "ministry".

  Reality is that you spent half to three-quarters of an hour in the coffee shop in the town centre. Similar at the "group", three quarters of an hour at the "coffee stop". Probably half an hour walking through town speaking to no-one. Half an hour driving. (Telling yourself "Jehovah isn't up there with a stopwatch."

  So out of 5 hours reported we spent about 2 hours actually available to talk to someone other than our ministry partners.

  A complete and utter farce only matched by standing next to a trolley being even less productive! But it got our monthly "hours" into the double figures (safe) zone for when the C.O. came a-calling.
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  October 31, 2017 TO ALL CONGREGATIONS Re: New Visitor Exhibit at Bethel (UK)

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  october 31, 2017 to all congregations re: new visitor exhibit at bethel.

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  freddo

  So they can't foretell two years ahead that they don't need a "printery"?

  These are the same guys who are telling us we don't need to worry about growing old and dying in this system?

  
  
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  A Little Direction Please

  by Brian J in

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  2. relationships

  i'm an active elder, cobe, just got home from the meeting where i handled the treasures part and concluded by announcing a friend of mine has been d/f,.....blah blah blah...and over the last year have woken up.

  i simply cannot spill my guts to my wife and children as it would be family suicide.

  i have zero desire to bash, spread my feelings, or become an "apostate".

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  freddo

  Brian J. - Welcome.

  Now Stop! Learn from the paths of others on this forum. I have been a well known busy "fool" aka circuit speaker/elder.

  You are at a point where I was a few years back. If you have just announced your friend as DF'd you will be in a maelstrom of emotion and at a point you will make irreversible mistakes if you do not stop and do nothing except personal research for the next couple of weeks or longer. Not one word to anyone - especially your wife who may bolt and run/turn you in/meltdown etc. - except on here.

  Work out a strategy. Be prepared to use a reverse "Theocratic War Strategy" from day one (like Rahab hiding the spies from those intending harm - and just like the WT does when hiding their disgusting involvement in child abuse cover up when it suits their pockets) and immediately.

  As soon as "they" realise there is "something up with Brian" they will turn on you like wolves doing the pack's bidding to preserve themselves and their precious "organisation".

  Then after thinking things through you can start your plan to help your wife and progress your resignation/"illness"/fade/inactivity/DA/move away or whatever. It may take months or years (or never) to get where you want to be.

  Good luck!
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  If Elders and Ministerial Servants did what Michael Fallon has done, few would remain

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  over the years i have seen plenty of elders and ministerial servants touch other j.w's knees, thighs, give very long and intimate hugs, blah, blah, blah.

  i know of other sisters who have felt really uncomfortable with such behaviour, but the brothers have just explained that they're being loving as caring christian friends, so they get away with it.

  it angers me that no j.w's will speak out about historic or ongoing inappropriate touching for fear of being disfellowshipped or losing the hope of paradise..

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  freddo

  Michael Fallon would not be resigning if there were not more similar or more serious incidents to "come out."

  Just my opinion.