Posts by meangirl

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newbie on this forum.in lower alabama.

by bchaase in

im new to this forum and looking for exjws around the mobile baldwin county area to talk to or hang out with.reply back if serious.

meangirl

Hi and welcome! First of all are you male/female. How old are you? Please tell us about yourself. Thanks!

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Ladies: were you often left to deal with the children at assemblies/meetings?

by JimmyPage in

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especially those of you married to servants and elders?

how did you feel about that?

did you wish the society would make more accomodations for dealing with children?.

I worked from the time my daughter was 2 months old and so when it was meeting time and or assemblies me and my hubby shared the responsibility of taking care of our daughter. He even took her into the library and changed her during the meetings by putting a pad on the counter since surprise surprise there were no changing stations in the men's restrooms, heave forbid. What a scandal!!!! I voiced my opinion on that a number of times and said kingdom halls should be built with a changing station in the men's rooms and of course pretty much everybody looked at me like I had snakes coming out of my head. Of course for my husband being an equal partner to me he wasn't liked nor was I because we didn't play the game of me being humble submissive wife without a brain cowering in the fear and power of my almighty husband.....I hated trying to keep our daughter happy at assemblies and often times I would give her treats during the program despite the dirty looks....I think the governing body should have to spend the day at an assembly with a baby/toddler on their laps and see if the rules change a bit when it comes to what is expected of children....totally stupid and ridiculous. I am mad at myself for even putting up with the crap and being part of it......

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Friends, when you make very long posts, please do make paragraphs or

by asilentone in

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i will not read them.

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meangirl

Silent one I really don't care if you read my posts or not.....have a nice day :)

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Email I sent to mom after huge fight today

by meangirl in

well my mom and i got into a pretty bad argument today over the phone.

it basically came down to the fact that she couldn't handle what i was saying about the organization, etc and all she could come back to me was that i "hated her?

" i guess i just wanted to share and vent a little too....thanks for letting me do so.. .

meangirl

Thanks for letting me vent and share that. She did reply and I am going to copy that and share it as well. I appreciate that she did admit in a round about way that she wasn't exactly kind in how she dealt with me but I also feel she needs to understand that has had an effect on me. ok so here is the email from here:

I had always been pulled toward church even as a teenager being baptized at 16...as I grew older I had learned some bible truths...no hell fire...that hell is the grave of mankind...etc. so then I would not go to any church, no trust in their teachings...was there one true religion I wondered? I can only say how I feel that if this is not God's organization he does not have one on the earth. Is he happy with his organization? Does it make mistakes....yes! Such as it is he using mankind and that goes to say he uses imperfect mankind. My prayer to Jehovah has always been please if this is not the truth please show me. I was not always the compassionate, nurturing Mother as I would have liked to have been. I have to live with this everyday of my life , I guess we all would like to have do-overs. I have plenty of time to mull over my mistakes and so regret them...believe me its with me all the time. I can only hope to do better as time goes on and learn from my many mistakes and hope my love ones can forgive.

So I feel a little better today and am just going to take it one day at a time but I know I do need to get counseling too. Thanks again everybody.

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Email I sent to mom after huge fight today

by meangirl in

well my mom and i got into a pretty bad argument today over the phone.

it basically came down to the fact that she couldn't handle what i was saying about the organization, etc and all she could come back to me was that i "hated her?

" i guess i just wanted to share and vent a little too....thanks for letting me do so.. .

meangirl

Well my mom and I got into a pretty bad argument today over the phone. It basically came down to the fact that she couldn't handle what I was saying about the organization, etc and all she could come back to me was that I "hated her?" I guess I just wanted to share and vent a little too....Thanks for letting me do so.

Hey mom,

I do not hate you. I am sorry you think that. What I am having an issue with is the fact that a religion was presented as "truth" to me so much to the extent I was guilted and forced into being part of that religion. To the extent that everything I knew and loved about my life at the time was just yanked away. My life completely was turned upside down because of something you felt the need to do. Well as an adult with a child of my own I have to come to my own decisions about God and religion, etc. Just as you dreamed of a family I had dreams too but I was not allowed to pursue my dreams because the things I wanted to do were viewed as "bad" and "worldly" when in reality there was nothing at all wrong with them. (Insert hubby's name here) and I couldn't even dream of a family of our own because like many young witness couples we know that the society really didn't promote having a family but rather put kingdom interests first. Thank goodness (insert child's name here) was not planned and came into our lives or else we would've never had children. People our age were told when we were teenagers by the organization that college is bad and so we sacrificed that and now are paying the price for that. I was forced to give up good friends and activities that meant so much to me just because 12 men in Brooklyn deemed those things were bad when in reality the bible does not even speak of the things I wanted to do. I can't get my youth back. I can't go back and get back teenage years. They are gone. The only thing I can do is to make sure my child has what I did not and does not go through what I was forced to endure. You don't know how I feel because even though you love me you just can't put yourself in my shoes. How do you think it felt to be a "normal" person in school one year and have friends and be involved and then the next year not being allowed to do anything....do you really think that was healthy for me? At the same time I am being forced to make all these changes and even go out in the ministry for goodness sake in my own neighborhood (insert brother's name here) is not forced to even go to meetings.........You shoved a RELIGION down my throat and its unscriptural rules down my throat. It would have been different if I could have been shown God's love and mercy and able to make a well informed decision on my own but I was not granted that right. When something is presented as the "truth" so much that it causes suffering and sacrifice and you are brainwashed to believe that is how it is supposed to be only to find out it is NOT truth.....yeah I am a little angry and rightly so. If you can't see how I would be angry then you are not an empathetic person at all. I have said my peace and am done. Since we have insurance now I plan on going to get counseling to deal with the anger I have for all of the injustices that were done to me. I have a long list and one of those on my list is being forced to be part of a crazy fanatic religious cult that puts rules and regulations over imitating Christ and being a good kind person. The witness religion has ruined many peoples' lives especially those that really didn't have a say and were forced or guilted into that lifestyle. At the age of 36 I have to once again start my life again and start from scratch. I refuse to be part of any organization that feels like it is okay to let your child die from withholding a blood transfusion. I refuse to be part of an organization that believes Jesus is the mediator for only 144,000 people and not for everybody even though that is a clear contradiction of the scriptures. I refuse to be part of an organization that is sitting on millions and millions of dollars and still the humble little sheep have to pay for the CO's expenses, the building of kingdom halls, to rent assembly halls for conventions, etc. What does the society's money go to? Certainly not community programs that is for sure.......Bethelites take a vow of poverty so they are not paid.......Business is business. Corporations are corporations. The Watchtower is just that, a greedy corporation keeping its members in fear so that they will be good little humble sheep and do what they are told whether it makes sense or not or even whether it is in the bible or not. If a religion is going to claim to be God's only organization on earth they best make sure they can live up to as that is one mighty claim and in my opinion the society has failed greatly.

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Why do people profess to be very religious but they do not really live by the bible?

by asilentone in

meangirl

Oh wow Qcmbr you just made a laugh out loud Awesome post!

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As a Man have your Attitudes Towards Women Changed since Exiting JW's ?

by flipper in

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being raised in the jehovah's witness cult - i saw so many times what would be referred to as " supportive wives " wait after meetings for an hour, two hours, even more until midnight for husbands who met in backrooms meeting to decide on judicial matters if some individual witness was righteous - or not.

wives of elders were expected to do this to show submission and alleged " respect " for the headship arrangement or eldership of their husbands !

incredible.

meangirl

I really needed to see a thread like this. I have been inactive for 2 years and still get enraged when I read the stupid comments by the society demeaning women yet to be honest in dealing with people in general it seems these stupid sexual stereotypes are so strong in our culture you almost can't get away from it. Also seeing the intelligent and respectful comments regarding women in this thread has shown me that maybe people don't want to continue on living that way and know that it is wrong. Sometimes I really wonder when I see some of the comments here about women and ask myself why those people left the society as they still feel the need to oppress women. Thanks for this Mr. Flipper!

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August 15th WT - Mind Control about "Loving Kindness " & Use of Tongue

by flipper in

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if one thing will be remembered about the summer of 2010 with the wt society - it will be that they took every opportunity to justify the " overlap generation " theory and employ damage control methods to keep witnesses from hearing anything negative about the wt organization by warning them about apostates or the internet.. in the aug. 15th wt ( witness version ) on pg.

24 in the article " let the law of loving kindness safeguard your tongue " notice these 2 points where the wt society tries to manipulate jw's minds regarding how they use their tongue in showing alleged " loving kindness ".. the 1st point concerns being a " helpful " witness and showing alleged " loving kindness " to a fellow believer if they are turning astray from wt principles.

it states in paragraph 16, " what should we do if we observe a christian heading in a direction that conflicts with bible principles ?

meangirl

Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately when I was in I did "rat out" two of my friends and now if I could go back I would handle things differently of course. I really felt at the time I was doing the right thing and making Jehovah happy...... The more my mind has been opened and I am actually thinking for myself the more I see their double standards.......if another religion has done something wrong they can write about it in their magazines to show how they are the right religion but yet JW's do the same bad things we are to ignore and realize that "enemies of God" are spreading rumurs and assume it is now true.....wow......

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-11-10 WT Study (WOMEN SUBMIT)

by blondie in

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comments you will not hear at the 07-11-10 wt study (may 15, 2010, pages 12-16)(women submit).

jehovah has established the orderly sequence that the apostle paul mentioned when he wrote that "the head of every man is the christ" and "the head of the christ is god.

what man is their head?.

meangirl

Wantstoleave I am sorry you had to go through that. Hugs to you. My father left my mother when I was 17 and I saw what she went through and I made up my mind right then I would never be completely dependent on a man to provide for me. It makes no sense to depend on another human for your material needs except to me in a child/parent relationship. If men were asked to put themselves in the same kind of situation as women where they completely trusted another human for their survival as in food, clothing, shelter, etc. they would absolutely not do it and I certainly wouldn't blame them but because we are women that is supposed to make sense to us???? The society conveniently forgets Psalms 146:3" Do not put her trust in nobles. Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs." Hhhhmmmmm, that certainly could apply in a marriage in the orginzation where women are expected to be in complete subjection to another human and be completely dependent upon him for their material needs. Or this is off topic but it just hit me this could also apply to the governing body as well who constantly tell us to trust them and follow what they say.......sorry just occurred to me. However, the bottom line is women are DEFINITELY EXPLOITED IN THE JW RELIGION AND NOT VIEWED AS EQUALS!!!!

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-11-10 WT Study (WOMEN SUBMIT)

by blondie in

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comments you will not hear at the 07-11-10 wt study (may 15, 2010, pages 12-16)(women submit).

jehovah has established the orderly sequence that the apostle paul mentioned when he wrote that "the head of every man is the christ" and "the head of the christ is god.

what man is their head?.

meangirl

I see what LHG is saying. Let's put it this way, teenage girls in the org either have two options they are "encouraged" to do. The first option is of course to PIONEER and not get an education or have a career and of course the second option is marriage in which they are not expected to work. Women are taught complete dependence on men in this religion. So if at any time Christlike hubbie decides to walk out the door then where does that leave the woman who got married very young with no skills? To be independent in the org is viewed as negative in general but when you push that on women you are really putting them in a vulnerable position. I have worked since I was 18 and continued working after having my daughter and I was met with hostility......there was this underyling feeling that I had no business working. They resent any kind of independence but especially from females.......If you look at the numbers of male/female pioneers you will find the majority are women and that they are young women who just graduated from high school at that. So yes I do feel women are exploited in the JW religion and definitely put in a very vulnerable position.