Posts by Lillith26

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Why is the US so afraid of Social Health Care?

by eyeslice in

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i just don't get why the us is so afraid of social health care, and is so opposed to the canadian and british models.

the plain fact is that there are far more americans without access to health care than the combined populations of sweden, norway, denmark and finland.. a measure of the maturity of any society has to be how it sees fit to re-apportion its wealth.. we are quick to criticise african leaders who line their own pockets but leave the masses in poverty but cannot see that blindly following capitalist principles is much the same.

if we live in a wealthy society then part of that wealth has to be put back into society as a whole.. .

Lillith26

What ever happened to the whole- "bring me your poor and sick and I will give them shelter blah blah America is the land of promise and dreams blah blah poooie!" on the Statue of Liberty???

I'm happy to pay my taxes and not get back a whole lot back in my pocket at the end of the day cause I KNOW my hard earned dollar is being put back into the community that has given me so much. Where else in the world looks after it's poor/elderly/sick/new citizens better that Australia???

Man I live in the REAL Land of the Free- free medical/dental/education

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Why is the US so afraid of Social Health Care?

by eyeslice in

jw
friends

i just don't get why the us is so afraid of social health care, and is so opposed to the canadian and british models.

the plain fact is that there are far more americans without access to health care than the combined populations of sweden, norway, denmark and finland.. a measure of the maturity of any society has to be how it sees fit to re-apportion its wealth.. we are quick to criticise african leaders who line their own pockets but leave the masses in poverty but cannot see that blindly following capitalist principles is much the same.

if we live in a wealthy society then part of that wealth has to be put back into society as a whole.. .

Lillith26

In Australia- if your broke, it's ok, plenty of understanding people who have "been there too" that are happy for our country to provide free/or discounted medical treatment to the average Aussie battler! I am happy to pay tax to a gov that will provide treatment to anyone regardless of "do you have insurance???". Come on USA- your turn to learn how to "love thy neighbour" and "do unto others..... etc..." stop bloody whinging and let Obama do the job you voted him in to do!!!!

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The candy that makes us all combine to bring the watchtower down!

by excito-are in

the amount the times i browse the board and read some great posts destroying ideology that was once almost indestructable in jw world.

surely with all those great thoughts we can construct something to really bring down down what is ineffect a man made idea.

this will not happen overnight, but think long term 20 or 30 years.

Lillith26

the crakpots will always be with us (the die hard religionists)- hey the morons/7dayers/JayDubs are still here lol

honestly I think the best thing we can do is help those who actually want to leave, support those that have left, and prevent as many as possible from joining.

Your right- we have the info, the experiance, and the know how to convert, why not just reverse the process and start doing at home studies using a book called- what does the WTB REALLY TEACH? as long as there is an appendix that lists 'usefull' websites (like JWN) and books written by ex JW's for further reading I think something like this could work.

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americans is this true ?

by looloo in

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i was at a first aid course the other day and was told that americans no longer teach mouth to mouth resusatation which i think is quite possible but the reason given was that 1 out of 3 people in the states is either hiv or has hep b or c i find that hard to believe , any ideas ?.

Lillith26

Purps- in Australia you can buy the disposable mouth gaurds that fit snug in your handbag at most pharmacies/drug stores.

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PROVE that Jehovah's Witnesses have the "Truth".

by undercover in

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minimus started a thread asking people to prove that jws don't have the truth.... but, instead of proving they don't, i'd like to see someone prove that the witnesses do have the truth.. this is your thread jw apologists....convince me why you have the truth.. to all you apostates and nay-sayers, please allow the apologists to have their say without harrassing them.

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Lillith26

First off.. Micky- LOLOLOLOLOLOLOl love your reasoning!

Reniaa-

there is a difference between reading your own viewpoints into the scripture rather than reading what they actually say! exactly!- hole in one- bravo- now your getting darl, the WTB does just this, it takes quotes and scriptures from the bible and interprets it to suit their own viewpoints! they then proceed to train people such as yourself to blindly believe them and you are directed to the scriptures they want you see, hence why you can now confidently state;

"The bible tells me Jesus is the SON of God so that is what I believe."

see how easy it's done- I just used your words to tell my side of the story! My my... arn't we both clever!

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Ordained Ministers of J.W. part 1

by bobld in

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baptisms are usually performed at assemblies.at the conclusion of the baptism talk,the baptism candidates are asked two q.affirmative answers qualifies the candidates as ordained ministers of j.w..we all have seen some candidates as young as 13 years,some as young as 12 years and even some as young as 9 years old.now in the eyes of the wbts these are qualified ordained ministers.. to my way of thinking these ordained ministers should be qualified to give sound advise or council.example,a 17 year old teenage boy has a problem with masturbation and is seeking advise.do you think he would receive sound advise on his masturbation problem from a 9 year old ordained minister of j.w.

(girl).in other religions this ordained minister would be qualified but i don't think a j.w.

is.. bob.

Lillith26

Reniaa- maybe you should do your research a little better darling! The Church of England/Anglican (Cathlics little sister church- so henry didn't have to kill anymore wives, just divorce them!), has a two step ritual for baptism... the first is the 'christening' where the parents of the child commit to the raiseing of the child within the churchs community and by it's rules ( God parents are chosen to take on the responsibility in the event of the childs parents absence), the second is done at the age of 10-14 and it is called a 'Confirmation' this where the child raised as Anglican commits themselves to be a christian as an adult.

No two strains of the bible virus I fondly refer to as Christianity are the same- I have said it before- that book can be interpreted to say anything you want it to! I have done my research! I have done the rites of passage handed down to me by our dumbass 'forefathers' and I do believe you have missed the point of this thread entirely! Bob was pointing out the fact that it is a DAMN CRIME TO SEND CHILDREN OUT TO DO THE WORK OF EDUCATED ADULTS!!! The WTB only states number of people baptised- not the average age- this would look bad to the general public and put off any would be new borg lining up for their assimilation!

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americans is this true ?

by looloo in

jw
friends

i was at a first aid course the other day and was told that americans no longer teach mouth to mouth resusatation which i think is quite possible but the reason given was that 1 out of 3 people in the states is either hiv or has hep b or c i find that hard to believe , any ideas ?.

Lillith26

I'm from Australia and have done our "first aid course". My first aid 'kits' that I have at home and in the car have mouth gaurds for use during 'mouth to mouth'- this is to prevent the spread of most bacteria from person to person ( from the patients point of view it would be hard to say "thanks for saving my life, but now I have cold sores- Thanks Mate!"). Im pretty sure it's just the 'American' fear of being sued for resussing someone who doesn't like french kissing that may put some people off doing it LOL ( Skippy just joking- I love the USA).

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The role of the "firstborn Son" as the Creator?

by Doug Mason in

the watchtower of 1 april 1978 (page 16), tells me:.

"through [the firstborn son], jehovah god brought into existence millions of angelic sons, the vast universe with its billions of galaxies and the earth with its abundant variety of plant and creature life.".

is the wt telling me that the "firstborn son" created black holes, dying stars, poisonous atmospheres, uninhabitable planets, comets that crash into planets, dangerous rays from the sun, and life-threatening places on earth?.

Lillith26

Thankyou Doug. I do appologise for my slightly "warped" sense of humor in my first post (I like to approch most things with my humour intact), I respect you, your work and research. TY again for the name and yes i will be busy 'googling'.

Lillith.

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Ordained Ministers of J.W. part 1

by bobld in

jw
friends

baptisms are usually performed at assemblies.at the conclusion of the baptism talk,the baptism candidates are asked two q.affirmative answers qualifies the candidates as ordained ministers of j.w..we all have seen some candidates as young as 13 years,some as young as 12 years and even some as young as 9 years old.now in the eyes of the wbts these are qualified ordained ministers.. to my way of thinking these ordained ministers should be qualified to give sound advise or council.example,a 17 year old teenage boy has a problem with masturbation and is seeking advise.do you think he would receive sound advise on his masturbation problem from a 9 year old ordained minister of j.w.

(girl).in other religions this ordained minister would be qualified but i don't think a j.w.

is.. bob.

Lillith26

Bob- I see your point, and I also dont think a 17year is "qualified" to minister any advice or 'spiritual council' to a person dying of old age.

To be honest I would rather my children thinking of baptism video games at 14 than picking out baby clothes handing out WatchTowers because they are one of the thousands of teen pregnancies 'borg like' JWs we have now (in an area near you). Children thrown into early adulthood because of a worlds the GB of the WTB's obsession with sexuality or serious lack of.

Gotta Love the cut'n'paste options on this forum lol

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Ordained Ministers of J.W. part 1

by bobld in

jw
friends

baptisms are usually performed at assemblies.at the conclusion of the baptism talk,the baptism candidates are asked two q.affirmative answers qualifies the candidates as ordained ministers of j.w..we all have seen some candidates as young as 13 years,some as young as 12 years and even some as young as 9 years old.now in the eyes of the wbts these are qualified ordained ministers.. to my way of thinking these ordained ministers should be qualified to give sound advise or council.example,a 17 year old teenage boy has a problem with masturbation and is seeking advise.do you think he would receive sound advise on his masturbation problem from a 9 year old ordained minister of j.w.

(girl).in other religions this ordained minister would be qualified but i don't think a j.w.

is.. bob.

Lillith26

Reniaa- I think I read that in an older issue of 'our kingdumb misery', i think it said "instead of getting down and dirty, get dunked be ever after sexually frustrated!". Personally I'd prefer my teenage children to be "allowed" to masterbate than get married at an early age just so they can finally get rid of their sexual frustration! I'd also like for my children to get a real education, the kind that teaches them to "think for themselves", not the kind that 'brain washes' them and turns them into 'borg'! At 14, I would prefer my children to be able to speak honestly to my about what is happening in there lives without them be afraid of me "SHUNNING" them because they masterbate!