...if scientists actually learn how to not only slow down but halt the aging process?
(see chappy's post re: immortality).
do you think that if this comes about many people who currently believe in "god" will abandon this belief?
Well, and frankly it's a matter of personal gain, or atleast human gain. That's just not the focus of everyone who concerns themselves with spirituality.
"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing the self is insight. Mastering others requires force. Mastering the self requires true strength." -Tao Te Ching, Chapter 33
hello every one,.
i would like to compose a lists of real, true blue, censored, and strictly monitor, jw chat rooms and forums.. to make availible for those that have come out of wt mind control and who would like to try their hand at deprogramming, by skillfully bringing to the jw attention ideas that lead to freedom.. so if you know of such sites please share them?.
the never ending search for truth
I remember in the dial-up BBS days and actually in some IRC chats they will ask you a question like "what is the 3rd word of the first article on page 3 of the Kingdom Ministry?" to see if you're an active publisher. Anyone know if they still do that?
"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing the self is insight. Mastering others requires force. Mastering the self requires true strength." -Tao Te Ching, Chapter 33
i would sincerely like to know what is so wrong with jehovah's witnesses.
i invite anyone to post here.
please use facts not personal opinions.. i am not interested in dates, the blood issue, nor the disfellowshipping issue since i am conviced that these do not prove that they are wrong.. i am weighing in to see if you as an opposer of jehovah's witnesses have the facts or not.
There's just one problem with the argument that the organization is fine and scriptural and any problems can be justified by human imperfection. Jesus himself said "by their fruits you will recognize them." Mt 7:15-23 This seems to be completely ignored.
"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing the self is insight. Mastering others requires force. Mastering the self requires true strength." -Tao Te Ching, Chapter 33
a few years back, the society told congregation.
secretaries to gather up copies of individual letters.
and put them in a binder.
Thanks. I guess this is a technical question, but does anyone have trouble viewing the whole image of the scanned letters? After it loads in entirety the window stretches so it's longer than the screen and I can't see the bottom part. I can't resize, move the window up or save the image so I can't see about 1/3 of the page..
"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing the self is insight. Mastering others requires force. Mastering the self requires true strength." -Tao Te Ching, Chapter 33
...if scientists actually learn how to not only slow down but halt the aging process?
(see chappy's post re: immortality).
do you think that if this comes about many people who currently believe in "god" will abandon this belief?
I believe this would depend on whether the religion or the individual's focus is on salvation. As JW's we know the bit about living forever, but even with that there's the matter of being in paradise. Quality of life is another factor. However, there are those who believe that it's about experiencing a spiritual dimension to life, which can be attained in this life without dying first.
"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing the self is insight. Mastering others requires force. Mastering the self requires true strength." -Tao Te Ching, Chapter 33
i was wondering if anyone here does some kind of volunteer work, i'm trying to get some ideas.
every now and then i feel the call to do something, but it seems it's a lot easier to sit on my ass and talk about it.
i have done a couple things, but i guess i just don't know if it makes a difference or not.
so here's my idea. My wife and I are getting up in years now, so a good thing for you to do is to come over to our house and cook us breakfast, lunch, and dinner.4. Mow my grass (opps, I got silly again)
Well Larc, those are possibilities but you might just find yourself wondering what it is you're eating while watching me making interesting crop circle patterns outside.. Seriously though, I have thought about the soup kitchen idea, and the literacy/tutoring ideas aren't bad either. I'll post something once I get into it, I'm sure there will be rewarding stories to tell.
Thanks for the ideas everyone, I'm sure if I look there will be plenty of work to keep me busy.
"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing the self is insight. Mastering others requires force. Mastering the self requires true strength." -Tao Te Ching, Chapter 33
for those who may be interested, i just found this article which .. i haven't been able to find for some time.
i don't really think of myself as a buddhist, but being called a dharmahead has a strange appeal for me.. anyways, i believe some will find this article to be of interest scientifically: http://www.idg.net/crd_brain_77208.html.
"knowing others is wisdom.
For those who may be interested, I just found this article which .. I haven't been able to find for some time. I don't really think of myself as a Buddhist, but being called a dharmahead has a strange appeal for me.. Anyways, I believe some will find this article to be of interest scientifically: http://www.idg.net/crd_brain_77208.html
"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing the self is insight. Mastering others requires force. Mastering the self requires true strength." -Tao Te Ching, Chapter 33
i was wondering if anyone here does some kind of volunteer work, i'm trying to get some ideas.
every now and then i feel the call to do something, but it seems it's a lot easier to sit on my ass and talk about it.
i have done a couple things, but i guess i just don't know if it makes a difference or not.
Hi Larc,
Actually I'm not in as much of a mood today, but thanks. I'm really just looking for some practical ideas though, I suppose there are many to choose from. I don't think there's anything wrong in that it makes me feel good, I think that's just an indicator that it's the thing to do.
Speaking of bank robberies, what's that movie with Woody Allen where they try to break into a bank by going underground in the sewers or something? I remember from the previews one guy with a miners hat turned backwards so that the light is facing the back saying "But I look cool like this."
"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing the self is insight. Mastering others requires force. Mastering the self requires true strength." -Tao Te Ching, Chapter 33
i flat out asked the jw i'm studying with what she would do if someone was disfellowshipped and she was honest and said she wouldn't talk to them since they wouldn't be good examples of jehovah witness.
then we started talking about appearances and tattoos, and about my pink hair :) and she said it didn't matter.
i am enjoying reading and visiting this web site but i am just not seeing the same things you guys have.
Tattoo, I'm going to go off topic just a little and point out something that I believe in 100%, and that is you're more likely to find people who support you as a person here than among the witnesses. This comparison isn't intended to say "we're better than them" or anything, but it's obvious that your acceptance to the witnesses is conditional, but that isn't the case here. People who have left have gone in all different directions.
As for the suggestion that you see a counselor, I'd say that's not a bad idea just because you don't want things to get worse if there are any issues to look at. I believe you can do a little "preventive therapy" so that it doesn't get to the point where things fall apart in your life. In any case, I'm sure I speak for others here when I say that our interest in you is not limited to discouraging and warning you against the witnesses. We don't always talk about witness related issues, and you're certainly welcome regardless of whether you're interested in being a witness or not. No matter what happens, we won't shun you.
"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing the self is insight. Mastering others requires force. Mastering the self requires true strength." -Tao Te Ching, Chapter 33
i was wondering if anyone here does some kind of volunteer work, i'm trying to get some ideas.
every now and then i feel the call to do something, but it seems it's a lot easier to sit on my ass and talk about it.
i have done a couple things, but i guess i just don't know if it makes a difference or not.
I was wondering if anyone here does some kind of volunteer work, I'm trying to get some ideas. Every now and then I feel the call to do something, but it seems it's a lot easier to sit on my ass and talk about it. I have done a couple things, but I guess I just don't know if it makes a difference or not. It would be nice to work with people directly I suppose. After all, it does help the volunteer feel better about themselves, so in a way it is a selfish endeavor, just not exclusively so.
BTW, as far as things in the area of mental health go, is there anything that doesn't involve high level skill or training?
"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing the self is insight. Mastering others requires force. Mastering the self requires true strength." -Tao Te Ching, Chapter 33
