Thanks all. Oompa I never thought about it that way. If I convince my mom to leave who will she turn to at her age? I think you're right, I think for her sake, at this point it's best to cut our loses and keep quiet. As for my wife, she knows the WT is bs as well. Actually she's a lot more critical than I am. She doesn't want out because she's worried about family. I think it's mainly because my wife does not have a close network of friends outside the family, (in the org or out) family is all she has. I on the other hand have a very extensive network of friends through work and so the shunning wouldn't affect me as much, although I am convinced my family would not go that far.
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So my mom now knows I'm apostate
by JWinprotest ini finally broke my silence yesterday in a discussion with my mom.
for months now i have been dropping hints here and there that i am not pleased with many things happening in the org, but i would always present it from a concerned jw prospective.
my wife wants us to remain closet jw's because she has bigger reservations of displeasing her family than i do, and wants to continue playing the game.. yesterday however my wife wasn't around, and for the 100th time my mom was ragging on me for attending one of my best friend's weddings because he was marrying a non jw, and the fact that his df'd brother was there.
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No difference between Jonestown massacre and WT teaching
by JWinprotest incan someone tell me what the difference is between jim jones convincing 900+ to kill themselves by injesting poison and the governing body convincing 7 million to die should they need blood to save their lives.
i don't get why government doesn't put them both in the same light..
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Can someone tell me what the difference is between Jim Jones convincing 900+ to kill themselves by injesting poison and the Governing Body convincing 7 million to die should they need blood to save their lives. I don't get why government doesn't put them both in the same light.
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Barbara Anderson just returned from Europe where she vigorously criticized WTs dangerously harmful policies.
by koolaid-man informer bethelites and wt critics, barbara and joe anderson, just returned from a month in europe where barbara spoke at five conferences in three countries.
she was also interviewed by the italian press and met with a number of italian religious officials.
in france, she met with french government officials and representatives of anti-cult organizations.
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God bless these two for taking the bull by the horns and going after the WT like this. I wish I had their courage.
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Creative ways to pad your field service hours
by keyser soze ini was usually honest about my hours for the most part.
but there was this one time..... i was auxiliary pioneering back in april of 2000. that was also the month we had planned to go down to south carolina to visit my brother, was living there at the time.
the trip was the last week of the month.
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there were also many times that i just put down 4 hours for the month when i did nothing just to make it look good and keep elders off my back
My wife and I have been doing this for a while.....I feel so guilty though. I usually ask the territory servant for my own territory to explain why nobody has seen us at the field service group. About 4 or 5 months later I turn it in with 2 or 3 foreign language remarks maybe I'll throw in a do not call every once in a while and I'll ask for a new one. Phone territory is the best for that. I almost got busted though a few months ago at a sunday meeting when a sister asked my 4 year old, "did you go in service today?" and my kid just looked at her like, "what the hell are you talking about lady". Last time my daughter was out was when she was 2. I think this sister is on to us and she's fishing for info.
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I've noticed something different at this years district convention
by JWinprotest innot sure if this was the case elsewhere, but i noticed that the contribution boxes with the people attending them stayed out in the hall ways throughout the entire session.
they used to be set up only before and after sessions and during lunch......times are tough!
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oompa that answered our question. My wife and I were wondering when they had made a brother in our cong a MS because we saw him as an attendant at the convention......but I guess their standards are going down.
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I've noticed something different at this years district convention
by JWinprotest innot sure if this was the case elsewhere, but i noticed that the contribution boxes with the people attending them stayed out in the hall ways throughout the entire session.
they used to be set up only before and after sessions and during lunch......times are tough!
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Just happened to notice. I have a 2 year old so I spent a lot of time in the halls.
LOL on the credit card comment....I just had a visual of the ladies swiping your card and putting the slip in the box.
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I've noticed something different at this years district convention
by JWinprotest innot sure if this was the case elsewhere, but i noticed that the contribution boxes with the people attending them stayed out in the hall ways throughout the entire session.
they used to be set up only before and after sessions and during lunch......times are tough!
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Not sure if this was the case elsewhere, but I noticed that the contribution boxes with the people attending them stayed out in the hall ways throughout the entire session. They used to be set up only before and after sessions and during lunch......times are tough!!
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Bethel tells us not to build a new Hall since no more Bookstudy! Takes our $147,000!!!
by Witness 007 inyes we saved and loaned and skrimped to build our own hall as we share with 6 other congs amd our area keeps growing bigger.
we even picked out the land....nice, perfect for a hall.
we had 147,000 so....then the advice comes from "above" that bethel advised us not to build since the bookstudy is cancelled our hall can take one more cong????
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Finally Free, I remember that project. In our Italian cong they actually announced that if each publisher contributed $300 they should have enough to complete the project. My brother and I were unbaptized publishers at the time so my mom gave $900. My dad, who was extremely opposed to JWs, would've killed her if he found out she gave 1 cent to the society. When the project didn't go through she was fuming, but guess what, it didn't stop her from forking over more money on the next projects. But I sure am glad they don't use a collection plate, that's the sign of a true religion........what a joke.
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Does the WTS say Facebook is a bad thing?
by lavendar in.
do the elders try to advise members against using facebook for some reason??
curious......
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Actually both Myspace and facebook were mentioned by name at our last circuit assembly when talking about the dangers of the internet.
We also had a local needs talk following the assembly on the same subject. Maybe there was an incident in the circuit.
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So my mom now knows I'm apostate
by JWinprotest ini finally broke my silence yesterday in a discussion with my mom.
for months now i have been dropping hints here and there that i am not pleased with many things happening in the org, but i would always present it from a concerned jw prospective.
my wife wants us to remain closet jw's because she has bigger reservations of displeasing her family than i do, and wants to continue playing the game.. yesterday however my wife wasn't around, and for the 100th time my mom was ragging on me for attending one of my best friend's weddings because he was marrying a non jw, and the fact that his df'd brother was there.
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I finally broke my silence yesterday in a discussion with my mom. For months now I have been dropping hints here and there that I am not pleased with many things happening in the org, but I would always present it from a concerned JW prospective. My wife wants us to remain closet JW's because she has bigger reservations of displeasing her family than I do, and wants to continue playing the game.
Yesterday however my wife wasn't around, and for the 100th time my mom was ragging on me for attending one of my best friend's weddings because he was marrying a non JW, and the fact that his DF'd brother was there. I finally snapped, and started pointing out many JW teachings that are absurd. However the shock of the day was when I told her that there is no chance in hell that I let my daughters die if a blood transfusion can save them. The look on her face was unforgettable, it was as if a doctor had just told her that her son was going to die.
I tried to use examples from the bible(Saul's army eating meat with blood, Jesus healing on the sabbath) to show that people's well being was more important to God than following laws, but everytime I started making sense she would interupt me. I asked her why she would never let me finnish my point, she replied because she didn't want me to put doubts in her head (typical). She actually said, "you are talking like an apostate".
Another shocking moment for her was when I told her that in one of the convention talks, that she hadn't had yet, the society blames the r&f witnesses for coming up with the failed dates of 1914, 1925 and 1975. She actually said," but the Watchtower magazine taught 1975". But then she quickly shrugged it off as one of those imperfect men moments.
When I got home and told my wife what had happened she was not impressed. I think she's afraid that one day I will lose it in a similar way in front of her family. She's right though, it is getting harder and harder to keep my mouth shut. At the district convention there were half a dozen times where I wanted to jump out of my seat and yell at the top of my lungs, "liars!!!".
I just want this to be over, it's like a bad dream that I can't wake up from.