Posts by Gorbatchov

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To you what was the Watchtower Socity's biggest lie ?

by The Almighty Homer in

yes, what was the biggest lie that you can think of, that persuaded you to realize that they were not who they said they were ?.

for myself it would have to be the year they picked as the destruction of ancient jerusalem 607 bc.. i have an assumption this was done purposely to coincide correctly with making 1914 an a important pivotal date.

in human history, which by all factual evidence it was not.. unassuming and deceiving manipulation for self marketing purposes.

Gorbatchov

Chronology 1799,1874, 1879, 1914, 1919,1925, 1935,1975 , "This generation" (1995), "This generation" (2009), blood doctrine (was not was), the WTS (Rutterfraud & Knorr Knorr) letter to the Reichsfuhrer, the story of Erich Frost, Paul Balzereits excommunication and onjust blaming, the property management and wealth $$$ of the society(trust the brothers!), the education policy (high school of Awake!), 1957 ehh 1975, the extreme and hidden power of the WTS lawyers (Bromley et all) and the claim we (JW's) are better than other people and at last the claims about other religions. And of course: that CT Rusell was the first president. They forgot WH Conley!

Fun!

Gorbatchov

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Thinking about finance move JW HQ property & Europe transactions in Rome and Madrid

by Gorbatchov in

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friends,.

today i was thinking about the move of the jw hq from brooklyn and the recent plans to sell the property in rome, italy and madrid, spain.. is it possible that the valuable rome & madrid property's are going to be sold to finance the new headquarters in the us?.

reason could be that the brooklyn buildings are not sold yet, because of the curent market.

Gorbatchov

Friends,

Today I was thinking about the move of the JW HQ from Brooklyn and the recent plans to sell the property in Rome, Italy and Madrid, Spain.

Is it possible that the valuable Rome & Madrid property's are going to be sold to finance the new headquarters in the US?

Reason could be that the Brooklyn buildings are not sold yet, because of the curent market. The selling of Rome & Madrid property could fill the financial gap in the US.

International Property Management ...

?!?

Gorbatchov

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-15-09 WT Study (CHRISTLIKE LOVE)

by blondie in

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comments.

1. comments.

2. comments.

Gorbatchov

Thanks for sharing. What a self-PR of the JW belief. )):

Gorbatchov

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The Final Nail in the Coffin of your JW Career

by jookbeard in

i know there has been countless threads on this, some say the paedophile scandal, others say the blood ban, some say the conduct of their elders, others say the petty rules etc.

but there is usually one thing that seals every one's fate, tips you over the edge,finishes you off.i was fading, very closely to full inactivity, off the book study list, and very sporadic meeting attendance, which took me to the very last time i set foot in my kingdumb hall, this is what happened;.

it was the memorial of 1994, i hadn't set foot in the place for months, but thought a show at the memorial would keep the wife happy and the elders at bay for a bit longer, i drove to the hall being careful not to get there too early(the wife was already there and had saved me a seat) i walked up to my seat about mid way in the hall so a lot could see me, it was packed probably about 200 there, as i sat down ( about 3/4 mins to go) a sister in front of me turned around and said"we haven't seen you in a long time!

Gorbatchov

My grandmother died earlier this year. We (my father and I) went two days later to my grandmothers house for the things that had to be done. Take everything away, say thanks to the people who cared for here.

Then an elder came in the room. He asked: did you report your fieldservice this month? It is already the 6 day of the month and i did not see your report.

Crazy! He did not say sorry for the loss of my grandmother, he asked for my fieldservice report.

Gorbatchov

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Theodore Jaracz Update

by Japster in

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latest news is that tj is up and around but is living in a house on the wallkill properties.. he is being tended to by a group of the societies doctors and nurses to make sure that he is continuing to improve.. shucks, guess he may be around giving orders for some time yet.. japster.

Gorbatchov

Just like the Soviet Leaders in the good old times (Andropov, Tsjenenko).

Gorbatchov

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WTS attends as a NGO to OSCE in July- 4 branches present!

by yknot in

so i was just cruising www.extj.com/foro.

mary received a interesting bit of osce information via a brother (peter) from germany....... http://www.extj.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14643.

here is the pdf she has uploaded..... http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2009/07/38763_en.pdf.

Gorbatchov

See the Watchtower Lawyer (and Convention speaker) Brumley at a US Senate hearing with other religious delegates.

If I do the same (if I even think or dream about it), I will be shunned directly by the local elders!

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WTS attends as a NGO to OSCE in July- 4 branches present!

by yknot in

so i was just cruising www.extj.com/foro.

mary received a interesting bit of osce information via a brother (peter) from germany....... http://www.extj.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14643.

here is the pdf she has uploaded..... http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2009/07/38763_en.pdf.

Gorbatchov

If you call the society, you will get the answer "The Watchtower Society" has no ties with the OSCE and UN". And formaly, this is true.

Because, it is not the Watchtower Society, that is present at the OSCE meeting. It's the European association of JW, the Russia bla bla of JW etc.

The entity is a sub organisation of the Watchtower Society. So, formaly they are true if they say "The Watchtower Societ" was not present.

Hypocrisie optima forma.

Gorbatchov

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When Did You First Get Exposed To "Apostate" Info? How Did It Affect You?

by minimus in

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as a kid, i used to read all the watchtowers of the 40s and 50s to see how the present day information developed from its original "thought".

i was exposed to many eye opening statements but i swept them under the carpet (although it stayed in the recesses of my brain) until the time was right.. so for me, it was a gradual thing.. how were you affected by your first encounters with "apostate" material?

?.

Gorbatchov

I read information about JW in the public library. Some witnesses worked there so I (15 years old) had to take a constant look over my shoulders. I was scared the elder watched we me reading the public JW file overthere. Ten years later I got internet on my room and took a look at H20 Hourglass everyday. I was scared about reading the information about 1799, 1874 and the original teachings about 1914. It was the beginning of my sarcasm about the JW writersstaf.

Gorbatchov

"History is a capricious character.
It depends on who writes it."

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The Watchtower September 15, 2009 (PDF)

by possible-san in

now, in my japanese forum, the watchtower september 15, 2009 (pdf, 33.8mb) is downloadable.. but only a registrant can access.. http://bb2.atbb.jp/strongwings/viewtopic.php?t=471.

if you are interested in that pdf file, i will upload it only for one week.. .

possible.

Gorbatchov

Possible-san, thanx for the hard work etc. Please make it easier availble next time.

Gorbatchov

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WTS causing more anguish

by GapingMouth in

i don't really know where to start on my first post; i feel i have so much to say and yet i am so emotionally tired that it is hard to go through it all again in my head.

but, i do need support and advice and so i will make the effort.. i started having doubts about certain beliefs of the witnesses about 2 years ago and did research since that i now come to the belief there is no god, and witnesses definitely are a cult.. at first it bothered me more on the god issue, but now i am more bothered by the cult issue, mainly because it dictates my life even though i am aware of it.. when i was a child, my mother and father divorced and my mother told me i will live with my father because she was going to die at armageddon being a non witness.

i think, as well as many other pressures i cant list for fear of a very long post, this was the main pressure that made me get baptized even though i wasn't that happy being a witness.

Gorbatchov

Dear GapingMouth,

I read your story and I wish you all the best. Take care for you and your wife. Don't make decisions to soon. I'm still "in", although the definitions describe me as "in-active". The JWD forum helps me to know we are not alone!

"History is a capricious character. It depends on who writes it"

Gorbatchev