after sitting thru the drama this year i was struck with a thought.. there was a scene where a "brother" said they knew the end would come, but did not think it would be in their lifetime.
at no point did someone say "but jesus said this generation would see the end" why?
because "this generation" now means 2 generations that overlap - as explained to us in the last talk of the day.
It is a silly drama. I wondered about the historical mistakes in it. They are speaking about "The elders" and presented the historical times as was it today.
I would not be surprised when one of the guys in the drama would take an Ipad to read the pdf version of the scriptures. "The apostles send me an email today that we have to run to the mountains".
Gorb
last weekend i attended the dc.
i had special interest in the closing speech about "this generation".. the bethel speaker told us he lost track after the publication of the watchtower in 2008 about "this generation" and concluded that "this generation" can overlap only 1 time.
he stated that there is an absolute time limitation of "this generation".
Last weekend I attended the DC. I had special interest in the closing speech about "This generation".
The Bethel speaker told us he lost track after the publication of the Watchtower in 2008 about "This generation" and concluded that "This generation" can overlap only 1 time. He stated that there is an absolute time limitation of "This generation". Members of the current 144.000 who's lives overlapped the lives of members of the 144.000 who experienced 1914 will see the end of this system.
Then he released the new DVD about the history of Jehovah's Witness in modern times. He stated that this DVD will replace the Proclaimers (history) book, because Jehovah's Witnesses are mostly not readers of thick books.
Of course a big applause fellowed.
Gorb
last weekend i attended the dc.
i had special interest in the closing speech about "this generation".. the bethel speaker told us he lost track after the publication of the watchtower in 2008 about "this generation" and concluded that "this generation" can overlap only 1 time.
he stated that there is an absolute time limitation of "this generation".
Last weekend I attended the DC. I had special interest in the closing speech about "This generation".
The Bethel speaker told us he lost track after the publication of the Watchtower in 2008 about "This generation" and concluded that "This generation" can overlap only 1 time. He stated that there is an absolute time limitation of "This generation". Members of the current 144.000 who's lives overlapped the lives of members of the 144.000 who experienced 1914 will see the end of this system.
Then he released the new DVD about the history of Jehovah's Witness in modern times. He stated that this DVD will replace the Proclaimers (history) book, because Jehovah's Witnesses are mostly not readers of thick books.
Of course a big applause fellowed.
Gorb
is there any jehovah's witness who can answer these questions about 1914?.
can you demonstrate, using the holy scriptures, that the messianic kingdom was established in 1914, that jesus got the full legal right to become king that year, and that jesus returned invisibly in 1914, and that the "last days" began that year?.
1:) no encyclopedia, no history book, and no archaeology book that i have ever seen have ever said that nebuchadnezzar destroyed jerusalem and the temple in the year 607 bce.
Hi Bane,
I'm a born-in JW, 39 years old, 4th generation. I don't want to lose my family when I leave.
So that's it.
Gor
is there any jehovah's witness who can answer these questions about 1914?.
can you demonstrate, using the holy scriptures, that the messianic kingdom was established in 1914, that jesus got the full legal right to become king that year, and that jesus returned invisibly in 1914, and that the "last days" began that year?.
1:) no encyclopedia, no history book, and no archaeology book that i have ever seen have ever said that nebuchadnezzar destroyed jerusalem and the temple in the year 607 bce.
Dear Und.
Im a JW and I know the doctrine is false. All the generation doctrines are false too.
That's it.
I visited the DC this weekend and the teaching of the new generation doctrine was realy stupid.
Nobody understood what was told. Off course a loud applause when the DVD was released.
Our believe is for simple minds. When you are a thinker, you've got a problem...
What a joke, this DC.
after reading on the way out's thread about his mom explaining the generation overlap to him it kicked this idea into my head to make this thread .
i thought it would be helpful to see if anybody here has had jw relatives or friends try to explain this " generation overlap " theory to you as a faded or inactive witness and what happened in the conversations.
so please feel free to post your experiences.
They have many doubts! This week I talked about it with family members and one said "I don't believe in the Society anymore, only in Jehovah. The Society can say what they want, but I don't believe them. When I hear the statements of them, I don't believe it. I keep going for my believe in Jehovah".
The quote about the stamps, it is a very close family member of my.
Another one told me he want to celebrate birthdays, because the society had wrong intentions about forbidding birthdays...
So they are changing (in west europe).
after reading on the way out's thread about his mom explaining the generation overlap to him it kicked this idea into my head to make this thread .
i thought it would be helpful to see if anybody here has had jw relatives or friends try to explain this " generation overlap " theory to you as a faded or inactive witness and what happened in the conversations.
so please feel free to post your experiences.
I have signs of changed thinking of family members: they dislike the new generation doctrine. They also told me they stay JW for the family.
"Some people collect stamps, and we have another hobby: being JW's" a family member told me.
alice.......here's a good elton john song about a girl named alice.
mary and yknot probably remember this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djiuatp_swy.
Elton John is my favorite artist! The live concerts are great!
i have tons of elders letters which were part of a website about 7 years ago and if my memory proves correct it was taken down due to bullying by the society.. i was wondering if these letters were still out there somewhere, because if not i'll upload them.
they are all in catergories.
might be useful.
Thanks for the upload!
i'm trying to compare some statistics and figures on this to share later in the thread to see if more long-time witnesses are exiting- or are newer witnesses exiting after a shorter period of time.
and - are more people exiting in the last 10 to 15 years than before.
so your answers would be helpful in looking into this .
My both grandmothers became a witness in 1944 and 1946. Born in the organisation (1970). Inactive since 2007, no visit to kingdom hall since 2009, visit memorial 2010. Starting visiting KH in may 2010. I don't want to lose family but stay an anti organisational JW.
Pray for me I have to lissen to the B... S.... again.
