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  A roaring current of change.... Is The Watchtower in the process of a major overhaul of their religion?

  by koolaid-man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a roaring current of change..... what is going on at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses?

  in the last couple of years unprecedented changes in policy, procedure, and doctrine have been coming forth in rapid fire sequence.

  this uninterrupted episode of new information is beginning to backfire for the rank and file witnesses.

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  Gorbatchov

  WontLeave,

  You are in the same difficult situation as I am. I don't sing, dont pray, don't read but only listen on the meetings.

  It makes me sad. But I still attend because of my family relations.

  Today was a very sad meeting.

  A childish explanation why we have to sit when the congregation sings. A disussion about the picture of the article. What boy is good, what boy is bad!

  The rank-and-file is eating it like pancake with honey!

  I feel - same like you - very alone. Alone. Alone.

  And hope and pray my son and daughter (now baby's) will follow higher education and college instead of pionering (...)

  I hate this religion but can not escape...
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  A roaring current of change.... Is The Watchtower in the process of a major overhaul of their religion?

  by koolaid-man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a roaring current of change..... what is going on at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses?

  in the last couple of years unprecedented changes in policy, procedure, and doctrine have been coming forth in rapid fire sequence.

  this uninterrupted episode of new information is beginning to backfire for the rank and file witnesses.

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  Gorbatchov

  Kool-aid,

  I have one answer to your questions / opinion.

  The reason of all the fast changes within the watchtower world, is:

  1. The WTS is very sensitive for juridical issues. It has many lawyers, and they are in charge.

  2. The WTS is very sensitive for dollar issues. It has many financial experts, and they are in charge too.

  3. The WTS is very keen in property transactions. It has many property managers, and they are in charge too.

  4. The GB is not in charge, the lawyers, financial experts and property managers are.

  5. The only thing the GB can do to keep in a bit control is: devide and rule.

  Gorbatchov
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  www.jw.org

  by elder-schmelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  was the watchtower the first ones to register this domain name or did they buy it?.

  if they bought it how much did they pay?.

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  Gorbatchov

  Elder-schmelder, I don't remember exactly, I think it is less then 10.000 dollar. No problem for a multinational corporation like the Watchtower.
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  www.jw.org

  by elder-schmelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  was the watchtower the first ones to register this domain name or did they buy it?.

  if they bought it how much did they pay?.

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  Gorbatchov

  JW.org was first registered and owned by the Jewish Woman federation.

  I researched this a few years ago using Google.

  Gorbatchov
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  Lease cars for circuit overseers (worldwide arrangement)

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yesterday evening a letter of the dutch (netherlands) branch of the watchtower society was read to the congregation.

  it stated that the governing body has made a new arrangement for circuit overseers worldwide: the society provides a lease car.

  it was backed with some bible texts (...) and the conclusion was that it was financial cheaper for the congregations.

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  Gorbatchov

  Circuitleasing is still operating. The domainname ciruitleasing is owned and hosted at the www.watchtower.org server.

  http://www.circuitleasing.com/
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  Lease cars for circuit overseers (worldwide arrangement)

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yesterday evening a letter of the dutch (netherlands) branch of the watchtower society was read to the congregation.

  it stated that the governing body has made a new arrangement for circuit overseers worldwide: the society provides a lease car.

  it was backed with some bible texts (...) and the conclusion was that it was financial cheaper for the congregations.

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  Gorbatchov

  Yesterday evening a letter of the dutch (Netherlands) branch of the Watchtower Society was read to the congregation. It stated that the Governing Body has made a new arrangement for circuit overseers worldwide: the Society provides a lease car. It was backed with some bible texts (...) and the conclusion was that it was financial cheaper for the congregations. The Society will charge the congregation 7,5 euro for every publisher yearly, for our congregation it is yearly totally 750 euro. Everybody was very quiet. There was no voting resolution, it just happens...

  For the Netherlands: 30000 publishers x 7,5 euro = 225000 euro yearly.

  Somewhat different with the early christian community situations, they (and Jesus!) used donkeys.
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  Why I Like the "Proclaimers" Book

  by t33ap80c in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while it is true that the "proclaimers" book is not always as open and honest about the society's history as it claims to be, it is open and honest enough to bring into question the society claim to being god's organization.

  it's a matter of (1) knowing what to look for, (2) where to find it and then, (3) to be able get the sense of what it means.. take for example the extremely important matter of the second coming of christ.... on the top of page 47 the book truthfully explains how president charles russell came to believe that jesus returned invisibly in 1874 to begin his second coming ("invisible presence").

  and then a careful reading of the footnote on page 133 shows that the date of jesus' return was not changed to 1914 until 1943.. it is likely that even if some witnesses notice that fact, they do not get the sense of what it means.

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  Gorbatchov

  The Proclaimers book is not so current anymore, since the introduction of the new DVD.

  When the DVD was presented at the convention last summer, the Bethel speaker told the audience "The need for this DVD was great, because Jehovah's Witnesses are not readers of thick (big volume) books."

  With these remarkable words he put the Proclaimers book to the sidelines of JW-history.

  I heard it with my own ears at the Utrecht convention in The Netherlands.
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  BOE LTR Dec 26, 2010 "Increased Activity April 2011"....Transcript....

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in an effort to increase the praise and honor to jehovah and jesus christ at the time of the memorial, the governing body has arranged for a special period of increased activity during april 2011.

  you will be pleased to learn that during april 2011, publishers who wish to serve as auxiliary pioneers may indicate on the application whether they will be working toward a 30-hour or 50-hour requirement for the month.

  this is a special arrangement for the month of april 2011 only.

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  Gorbatchov

  Instead of "Do what you can" they chose for "Do the organizational arrangement that fits you the best way".

  Focusing on the organizational.

  The organization makes it possible that Jehovah is happy with you! Organization = Jehovah.

  Thanks to the organization and it's Great Governing Body 2.0 Jehovah is happy with you!

  Applause to us! We invented this arrangement! Long Live the Great Governing Body 2.0
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  WTS introduction video for new bethel workers - my perception of GB

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just watched and downloaded the funny wts introduction video for new bethel workers from youtube.com.

  i watched it, and i had to laugh much.

  about the interviews with the gb members.

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  Gorbatchov

  I just watched and downloaded the funny WTS introduction video for new bethel workers from youtube.com.

  I watched it, and I had to laugh much. About the interviews with the GB members.

  Some you can not understand because their age. Great fun!

  And then came the great sadness. These GB members ruled about our lives. These simple people. With strange ideas and strange behavior for church leaders!

  And then came the understanding:

  These very old GB members can not be church leaders of a organization like the Watchtower Society.

  Making decisions about financial investments, buildings and property, strategy and long time decisions.

  That makes me think about one question: who are the real leaders of the WTS instead of the old puppets?
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  CO admits from platform that "we were embarassed by 1975."

  by watson in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  said with a smirk/smile/grin.

  this one is the most glib i've seen.. actually, several times "75" came up.

  maybe they feel the more they bring it up and make light of it, the more of a non-issue it will become..

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  Gorbatchov

  Around 1995 one of the most influencing CO's in the Netherlands (doing much mess up work for the Dutch branch in the congregations) made a nice slip of the tongue: when he did quote the famous Orwell publication he said to the audience of the convention: "In Orwell's well known book 1975 .... bla bla".

  The audience was reacting mumbling "He?!?".

  Great fun to hear, I was just waking up and raid some good opinions about 1975 and the Watchtower false teachings. The CO did also, I think

  Gorbatchov