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  "But the Basics haven't changed"

  by Phizzy in

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  a couple of days ago in town i met a jw guy i have known since he was a kid in diapers, he is now an elder and must be 40 yrs old, still a kid to me, though.. he gave me the spiel about "we would love to see you come back " , i said that i could not come back to the religion i had left as it no longer existed (a line i got from my friend bill), this elder replied that there "had been changes, but the basics remain the same".. i just was not quick enough with this one, i just sort of nodded at that and went on about what i simply could not swallow as "truth".

  overlapping generation etc etc.. what he was meaning by the basics being the same is that nothing has changed on the "what jw's don't believe in" front, i.e trinity, immortal soul etc.

  the reality it is that the basics of jw/wt teachings about what they do believe in have all changed !.

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  "They've made us debt FREE !!!"

  by gingerbread in

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  so proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???

  only jehovah's organization!

  isn't this wonderful !!!".

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  This all look like Monopoly!

  Go back to jail!

  Gorby
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  The Big Mistake: celebrating 100 year of Kingdom Rule (1914)

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the watchtower society has announced the celebration of 100 year of kingdom rule since 1914.. in recent history, more dictorial regimes has celebrated their years of rule.. i see the society's celebration as the big mistake.

  it's a boomerang, a double edged sword.. during and in the aftermath of the celebration there is a change that the institution, the watchtower system, will breakdown.. just like the german demoratic republic, celebrating their 40 years of rule!

  in a few month's time the gdr was gone.. gorby.

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  The Watchtower Society has announced the celebration of 100 year of Kingdom Rule since 1914.

  In recent history, more dictorial regimes has celebrated their years of rule.

  I see the Society's celebration as the Big Mistake. It's a Boomerang, a double edged sword.

  During and in the aftermath of the celebration there is a change that the institution, the Watchtower system, will breakdown.

  Just like the German Demoratic Republic, celebrating their 40 years of rule! In a few month's time the GDR was gone.

  Gorby

  
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  Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

  by Londo111 in

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  2. scandals

  this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

  feel free to poke holes.

  i have many doubts about this myself.

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  London111 I believe there is a truth in this rumour. There will be big changes in the near future. There are cliffhangers used for implementing these changes.

  All changes are made to keep the organization fit for future. They do it with a theological flavor.

  A multi bilion corporation uses externel advisors and consultants thats a fact.

  They must have a 20 year strategic plan.

  Yes is's a corporation selling religious dreams. Like Disney for children, there is Watchtower for the family.

  (And yes, there are some benefits living the Watchtower life)

  Gorby
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  Petra--For Gorby!

  by Atlantis in

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  i don't know if these will help or not gorby, but you are welcome to them.. .. ownership of kingdom hall documents..click the link by the blue arrow.http://www.sendspace.com/file/c684bw... ..petra

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  Thank you very much, Petra!

  Gorby
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  BOE april 25

  by Gorbatchov in

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  2. friends

  does someone have the boe april 25 letter about the transfer of the local ownership of all kingdom halls to the society?.

  it seems a mayor financial transaction, allthough here in the netherlands.. gorby.

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  committeechairman, I think that is the document i'm searching for.

  Gorby
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  BOE april 25

  by Gorbatchov in

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  does someone have the boe april 25 letter about the transfer of the local ownership of all kingdom halls to the society?.

  it seems a mayor financial transaction, allthough here in the netherlands.. gorby.

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  FastJedu thanks so much! Internet is a great help finding the real truth.

  Gorby
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  BOE april 25

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
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  does someone have the boe april 25 letter about the transfer of the local ownership of all kingdom halls to the society?.

  it seems a mayor financial transaction, allthough here in the netherlands.. gorby.

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  frankiespiekin, there is something going on. I am not sure the situation is now bad for them. My opinion is that new advisors have done their job at headquarters, get so much influence as you can, take so much moeny as you can.

  I think they use their assets for enormous investments on a scale you and I can only dream of. They must have a dealingroom or something like that.

  Just like the most rich people on earth. They park their money day by day in a country with the most revenue.

  Today the UK or US, tomorrow Dubai. I think they move their assets with one mouse click.

  They are not in need. They are an property and investment vehicle.

  I hate to say this, because once it was my organization, my life. Now i'm in a fade, it hurts me to see how the rank and file are used for money and assets reasons. Jo and Mandy Publisher are poor sheeps.

  Gorby
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  BOE april 25

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
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  does someone have the boe april 25 letter about the transfer of the local ownership of all kingdom halls to the society?.

  it seems a mayor financial transaction, allthough here in the netherlands.. gorby.

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  St George of England, thanks for the information. The amount in this Trust must be enormous, since a kingdom hall is an investment of 1 milion euro, here in the Netherlands.

  For the Watchtower Society it would be an enormous boost of the left side of the ballance sheet in their administration.

  The worldwide property can be used for enormous mortages for the Society.

  It's scary how they changed unseen from a end time religion into a property fund. No more and no less.

  Gorby
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  BOE april 25

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
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  does someone have the boe april 25 letter about the transfer of the local ownership of all kingdom halls to the society?.

  it seems a mayor financial transaction, allthough here in the netherlands.. gorby.

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  committeechairman, its about the ownership of the congregational property (hall and other property, like living quarters above halls).

  In The Netherlands, the ownership of all these property has to be transferd to the Watchtower Society. The ownership will be centralised.

  There is a lot of oposition, mostly from witness who live in a living quater above a kingdom hall, like special pioneers and some "normal" rank-and-file witness. They are told by the Society that they have to leave the property as soon as possible.

  It seems the organization is taking all assets that are possible.

  The organizational decrete is written in a BOE dated 25 april, in the Netherlands.

  Gorby