@ Anders, this is from Trouw newspaper
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Must read Dutch newspaper article about jw culture related to abuse
by Gorbatchov inmust read news paper article about jw culture.. jehovahs: "you do not bring a brother to justice" a parallel community with deviating values and norms, which conceals abuse cases as quickly as possible and where women are subordinate to men.
that picture emerges from a report on the jehovah's witnesses published on thursday.
bas soetenhorst january 23, 2020, 5:16 pm a gathering of tens of thousands of jehovah's witnesses in the rai in 1979. image anp with the jehovah's witnesses, the biblical principle is that you should not bring your brother to justice.
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Good read from today newspaper in Holland about new juridical actions by jw.org
by Gorbatchov inwhy the jehovah's go full on the legal organ .
the jehovah's witnesses do not accept the results of scientific research under any circumstances.
they go to court again.
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Why the Jehovah's go full on the legal organ
The Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept the results of scientific research under any circumstances. They go to court again. Is there an explanation for their response?
Rianne Oosterom24 January 2020, 19:21
Now that Jehovah's Witnesses have not been able to stop the report of the abuse report, they are taking further legal action. Whether that is an appeal or a new indictment of defamation, defamation or discrimination, a spokesperson for the organization does not yet say. But it is certain that the riot around the report will get a legal tail.
The defensive reaction of the denomination arouses anger. For example, minister Sander Dekker called it "incomprehensible" that the Jehovah's Witnesses ignore the report and recommendations. Earlier, the denomination cooperated with the investigation. The researchers were even allowed to view an abuse file from a vault in the basement of a church. The many newspaper articles and TV reports that have since appeared on the subject never became the subject of a lawsuit. Is there a trend break with this legal battle? No, cult expert and coach Frances Peters explains. As an ex-Witness, in her practice she guides people who have left a cult. Win win situation She points to the many international lawsuits that Jehovah's Witnesses are conducting, for example about blood transfusion, but also about sexual abuse. According to her, they look strategically on a case-by-case basis on what is best and how they can lose the least members.
Peters: “A lawsuit is a win-win situation for them. If they win, it is because of Jehovah's blessing, and if they lose, they can portray themselves as martyrs, as persecuted; in line with Bible apostles who were persecuted by the state for their beliefs and beliefs. " Anyway, the reaction to the research shows something of their world view, Peters sees. They tend to see critical information from the outside world as coming from Satan. A good example is a study article that the organization distributed in November last year with the subject: how do you deal with lies? Satan, they write, is the father of lies. "He uses the people he has in his power to spread lies about Jehovah and our brothers and sisters. For example, there are apostates who distort the facts and proclaim lies about Jehovah's organization on websites and through TV and other media. Those lies belong to Satan's burning arrows. " It is as if it concerns the abuse file. When asked how a good believer should respond, the article is clear: "Refuse to listen! Why? Because you have faith in Jehovah and your brothers. Even avoid any contact with apostates. Don't let anything or anyone - not even your own curiosity - seduce you into a discussion with them. "
Attack on who they are
This is reflected in the response to the report. But where newspaper publications are easier to dismiss as lies, in the case of the investigation they have to deal with a minister who is panting on their necks to change something. The letter that the board sent to the minister also shows that they see the recommendations as an attack on who they are. For example, the researchers want women to be given a more prominent role - something that is not biblical according to Jehovah's Witnesses - and that elders are better educated. Peters: “They will never allow outside influence. They want to keep control over what they learn and how they teach their elders. ” That is precisely why this point of principle is for Jehovah's Witnesses, Peters thinks. "They will put their entire lawyers' clique on it, so that attention is diverted from what is actually wrong: namely that abused children are not being helped properly."
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link to DUTCH REPORT about jw.org culture and abuse investigation ordered by the Dutch government
by Gorbatchov inhere the link to the investigation report of the university of utrecht about the dutch jw.org culture and abuse, ordered by the dutch governement.
report is written in dutch.. https://issuu.com/dvhn/docs/3010_volledige_tekst_tcm28-426036.
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Here the link to the investigation report of the University of Utrecht about the Dutch jw.org culture and abuse, ordered by the Dutch Governement. REPORT IS WRITTEN IN DUTCH.
https://issuu.com/dvhn/docs/3010_volledige_tekst_tcm28-426036
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Link to investigation of Utrecht University about Dutch jw.org abuse and the jw.org culture, ordered by the Dutch Government
by Gorbatchov inhere the link to the investigation report of the university of utrecht about the dutch jw.org culture and abuse, ordered by the dutch governement.
report is written in dutch.. https://issuu.com/dvhn/docs/3010_volledige_tekst_tcm28-426036.
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Here the link to the investigation report of the University of Utrecht about the Dutch jw.org culture and abuse, ordered by the Dutch Governement. REPORT IS WRITTEN IN DUTCH.
https://issuu.com/dvhn/docs/3010_volledige_tekst_tcm28-426036
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Must read Dutch newspaper article about jw culture related to abuse
by Gorbatchov inmust read news paper article about jw culture.. jehovahs: "you do not bring a brother to justice" a parallel community with deviating values and norms, which conceals abuse cases as quickly as possible and where women are subordinate to men.
that picture emerges from a report on the jehovah's witnesses published on thursday.
bas soetenhorst january 23, 2020, 5:16 pm a gathering of tens of thousands of jehovah's witnesses in the rai in 1979. image anp with the jehovah's witnesses, the biblical principle is that you should not bring your brother to justice.
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Must read news paper article about jw culture.
Jehovahs: "You do not bring a brother to justice" A parallel community with deviating values and norms, which conceals abuse cases as quickly as possible and where women are subordinate to men. That picture emerges from a report on the Jehovah's Witnesses published on Thursday. Bas Soetenhorst January 23, 2020, 5:16 PM A gathering of tens of thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses in the RAI in 1979. IMAGE ANP With the Jehovah's Witnesses, the biblical principle is that you should not bring your brother to justice. That statement by one of the (former) Jehovah's witnesses who are interviewed in the report marks the organization's difficult handling of sexual abuse. The report of employees of Utrecht University, who were commissioned by the House of Representatives to conduct research, outlines a parallel community that prefers to keep out the door. Leaders of the local community - elders or overseers - form judicial committees in cases of abuse. The elders are often particularly concerned about reputation damage. Local community leaders - called elders or overseers - form judicial committees in cases of abuse. That is not nearly to everyone's satisfaction. The elders are often particularly concerned about reputation damage. Last year, 751 people reported to an anonymous hotline that the Utrecht researchers had set up for (suspected) victims or people who were aware of abuse within the community. Three quarters of the victims feel that the treatment of their report by the Jehovah's is inadequate. No less than 57 percent of that group gave a score of 1 on a scale of 10. The average score was 3.3. Of the reported abuse, 34 percent were within the family. Both from experiences at the hotline and from a dozen interviews with anonymized (former) Jehovah's, it appears that the community focuses primarily on keeping the perpetrator on board. Quotation from a person involved: "When a perpetrator confesses and repents, as a victim you are actually expected to forgive and to sit next to him again in the Kingdom Hall (a religious meeting place - ed.)." Another witness: “A pedophile who has been in prison for five years is now in the Kingdom Hall again. The victim's family then moved. They were really made a scapegoat. " Recommendations from the committee of inquiry - Jehovah's people should pay more attention to victims and explicitly point out the possibility of reporting - Establishment of an internal reporting point for abuse cases - Training for elders in dealing with abuse cases - A cultural change to improve the position of women - Investigation into the introduction of a legal duty to report abuse cases, as already established in Australia and Belgium - Follow-up research into the extent to which the findings are representative of the Dutch community Men complete the service, which does not strengthen the position of the mostly female victims. Moreover, the so-called two-witness rule applies, whereby someone must confirm the story of the victim. In practice, abuse is often deemed unproven or victims are not believed and even punished. Quote from an interview by the researchers: "If a man says she's cheating, that's fine, but if I as a woman say that about him, I must have an elder or servant by my side." In the eyes of victims, perpetrators often get away with a mild correction, if they are found guilty. For example, there was a case where three people involved had similar experiences with a person. However, the court committee found it difficult to appoint an offender. The rule that the victim must confront the perpetrator in the presence of other men with what happened, many experience as intimidating. Elders also lack expertise. Quote from the report: "Pedophiles are manipulative, so they often overwhelm the elders." Exclusion Shame sometimes stands in the way of proper processing. A victim: “At home there has been attention for about a week to the abuse of my brother and me. Then we went back to the order of the day. " Fear of exclusion prevents many victims from going to the police. A person involved: “My father has asked a lawyer who has experience with this type of case. But that lawyer said: then you will probably be excluded and become an apostate. "Another:" It is always taught that you do not bring a case against your brother or sister. " Sometimes elders or circuit overseers discourage this in so many words: "The circuit overseer said," Leave it in Jehovah's hands, pray, go on field service. It is your test. It is difficult, but if you go to the police you get headlines. Do you want that?" Despite summary proceedings with which the Jehovah's administration tried to prevent the publication of the report on Thursday, the researchers write that the organization cooperated well. Other rules have recently been introduced to better handle abuse cases. For example, a perpetrator-victim confrontation is no longer mandatory. But in practice, little has changed according to those involved. Outside world like satan The Jehovah's Witnesses are a "Christian-fundamentalist end-time movement" with its own logic and norms and values, which - according to the report published by researchers from Utrecht University on Thursday - seem to "deviate to some extent" from current norms and norms in the society. Worldwide there are more than 8.5 million followers, according to the organization itself. In the Netherlands there are almost 30,000. They believe that humanity is in the "end time," the final phase before God intervenes and all non-Jehovahs are destroyed. The organization has a strict hierarchy, in which men are leading. At the top is the New York-based Governing Body, formed by eight veterans. Criticism of this is, according to an (ex) follower, "comparable to a North Korean who criticizes Kim Jong-un." This includes the Watchtower Society, an organization that manages its members worldwide, also from New York. The Dutch branch is located in Emmen. "Circular overseers" regularly visit Jehovah municipalities. Elders make the service within the congregation. They also do justice. Children usually attend regular schools, but performance is not highly regarded. VWO is sometimes discouraged. The "cleansing code" prohibits blood transfusions, celebrating Christmas, unnecessary contacts with non-Jehovahs and participation in civil activities, among other things. The individual is the property of the community. For those who do not comply with this, there is a risk of exclusion, which amounts to a "spiritual death certificate". Criticism from the outside world is often seen as a test. An interviewee told the researchers: “The outside world is Satanist. Only for members of the community (...) does a resurrection follow after the world has perished at Armageddon. " Another (former) Jehovah: “This committee of inquiry strengthens the core of Jehovah's witness belief. The idea is that there will be natural disasters and the Jehovah's Witnesses will be prosecuted as a harbinger of the Armageddon (..) For Jehovah's Witnesses you are the proof that they have the truth. "
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Dutch State secretary reaction about abuse report and argumentation judge
by Gorbatchov inreaction of state secretary and arguments of judge about report jw abuse in the netherlands.
minister dekker: report on jehovah's sketches "extremely worrying" picture
the report on the extent of sexual abuse within the community of jehovah's witnesses paints an extremely worrying picture.
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I think the use of the word "Jehovah's" give a good impression how the common Dutch public thinks about jw.org
The respect is fully gone now and that's not the fault of the public.
The organization is living at another planet, there imago is blown away.
Strange thing about Dutch (Holland) people is that we learn and speak English very fast and efficient and we feel very related to the UK and the USA.
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Must read Dutch newspaper article about jw culture related to abuse
by Gorbatchov injehovahs: "you do not bring a brother to justice"
a parallel community with deviating values and norms, which conceals abuse cases as quickly as possible and where women are subordinate to men.
that picture emerges from a report on the jehovah's witnesses published on thursday.
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Jehovahs: "You do not bring a brother to justice" A parallel community with deviating values and norms, which conceals abuse cases as quickly as possible and where women are subordinate to men. That picture emerges from a report on the Jehovah's Witnesses published on Thursday. Bas Soetenhorst January 23, 2020, 5:16 PM A gathering of tens of thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses in the RAI in 1979. IMAGE ANP With the Jehovah's Witnesses, the biblical principle is that you should not bring your brother to justice. That statement by one of the (former) Jehovah's witnesses who are interviewed in the report marks the organization's difficult handling of sexual abuse. The report of employees of Utrecht University, who were commissioned by the House of Representatives to conduct research, outlines a parallel community that prefers to keep out the door. Leaders of the local community - elders or overseers - form judicial committees in cases of abuse. The elders are often particularly concerned about reputation damage. Local community leaders - called elders or overseers - form judicial committees in cases of abuse. That is not nearly to everyone's satisfaction. The elders are often particularly concerned about reputation damage. Last year, 751 people reported to an anonymous hotline that the Utrecht researchers had set up for (suspected) victims or people who were aware of abuse within the community. Three quarters of the victims feel that the treatment of their report by the Jehovah's is inadequate. No less than 57 percent of that group gave a score of 1 on a scale of 10. The average score was 3.3. Of the reported abuse, 34 percent were within the family. Both from experiences at the hotline and from a dozen interviews with anonymized (former) Jehovah's, it appears that the community focuses primarily on keeping the perpetrator on board. Quotation from a person involved: "When a perpetrator confesses and repents, as a victim you are actually expected to forgive and to sit next to him again in the Kingdom Hall (a religious meeting place - ed.)." Another witness: “A pedophile who has been in prison for five years is now in the Kingdom Hall again. The victim's family then moved. They were really made a scapegoat. " Recommendations from the committee of inquiry - Jehovah's people should pay more attention to victims and explicitly point out the possibility of reporting - Establishment of an internal reporting point for abuse cases - Training for elders in dealing with abuse cases - A cultural change to improve the position of women - Investigation into the introduction of a legal duty to report abuse cases, as already established in Australia and Belgium - Follow-up research into the extent to which the findings are representative of the Dutch community Men complete the service, which does not strengthen the position of the mostly female victims. Moreover, the so-called two-witness rule applies, whereby someone must confirm the story of the victim. In practice, abuse is often deemed unproven or victims are not believed and even punished. Quote from an interview by the researchers: "If a man says she's cheating, that's fine, but if I as a woman say that about him, I must have an elder or servant by my side." In the eyes of victims, perpetrators often get away with a mild correction, if they are found guilty. For example, there was a case where three people involved had similar experiences with a person. However, the court committee found it difficult to appoint an offender. The rule that the victim must confront the perpetrator in the presence of other men with what happened, many experience as intimidating. Elders also lack expertise. Quote from the report: "Pedophiles are manipulative, so they often overwhelm the elders." Exclusion Shame sometimes stands in the way of proper processing. A victim: “At home there has been attention for about a week to the abuse of my brother and me. Then we went back to the order of the day. " Fear of exclusion prevents many victims from going to the police. A person involved: “My father has asked a lawyer who has experience with this type of case. But that lawyer said: then you will probably be excluded and become an apostate. "Another:" It is always taught that you do not bring a case against your brother or sister. " Sometimes elders or circuit overseers discourage this in so many words: "The circuit overseer said," Leave it in Jehovah's hands, pray, go on field service. It is your test. It is difficult, but if you go to the police you get headlines. Do you want that?" Despite summary proceedings with which the Jehovah's administration tried to prevent the publication of the report on Thursday, the researchers write that the organization cooperated well. Other rules have recently been introduced to better handle abuse cases. For example, a perpetrator-victim confrontation is no longer mandatory. But in practice, little has changed according to those involved. Outside world like satan The Jehovah's Witnesses are a "Christian-fundamentalist end-time movement" with its own logic and norms and values, which - according to the report published by researchers from Utrecht University on Thursday - seem to "deviate to some extent" from current norms and norms in the society. Worldwide there are more than 8.5 million followers, according to the organization itself. In the Netherlands there are almost 30,000. They believe that humanity is in the "end time," the final phase before God intervenes and all non-Jehovahs are destroyed. The organization has a strict hierarchy, in which men are leading. At the top is the New York-based Governing Body, formed by eight veterans. Criticism of this is, according to an (ex) follower, "comparable to a North Korean who criticizes Kim Jong-un." This includes the Watchtower Society, an organization that manages its members worldwide, also from New York. The Dutch branch is located in Emmen. "Circular overseers" regularly visit Jehovah municipalities. Elders make the service within the congregation. They also do justice. Children usually attend regular schools, but performance is not highly regarded. VWO is sometimes discouraged. The "cleansing code" prohibits blood transfusions, celebrating Christmas, unnecessary contacts with non-Jehovahs and participation in civil activities, among other things. The individual is the property of the community. For those who do not comply with this, there is a risk of exclusion, which amounts to a "spiritual death certificate". Criticism from the outside world is often seen as a test. An interviewee told the researchers: “The outside world is Satanist. Only for members of the community (...) does a resurrection follow after the world has perished at Armageddon. " Another (former) Jehovah: “This committee of inquiry strengthens the core of Jehovah's witness belief. The idea is that there will be natural disasters and the Jehovah's Witnesses will be prosecuted as a harbinger of the Armageddon (..) For Jehovah's Witnesses you are the proof that they have the truth. "
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Dutch State secretary reaction about abuse report and argumentation judge
by Gorbatchov inreaction of state secretary and arguments of judge about report jw abuse in the netherlands.
minister dekker: report on jehovah's sketches "extremely worrying" picture
the report on the extent of sexual abuse within the community of jehovah's witnesses paints an extremely worrying picture.
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There is no escape at the moment, even at McDonalds this afternoon:
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Dutch State secretary reaction about abuse report and argumentation judge
by Gorbatchov inreaction of state secretary and arguments of judge about report jw abuse in the netherlands.
minister dekker: report on jehovah's sketches "extremely worrying" picture
the report on the extent of sexual abuse within the community of jehovah's witnesses paints an extremely worrying picture.
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Newspaper: JW top lawyer Shane Brady handles Duch court case, highest level jw.org involvement
by Gorbatchov innewspaper stated that the highest jw.org lawyer handles the dutch court case.
so the highest level is involved.. the report of trouw, nationwide newspaper:.
the way jehovah's witnesses deal with sexual abuse is traumatic for victims.
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Newspaper stated that the highest jw.org lawyer handles the Dutch court case. So the highest level is involved.
The report of Trouw, nationwide newspaper:
The way Jehovah's Witnesses deal with sexual abuse is traumatic for victims. Researchers from Utrecht University conclude that based on the stories of 751 members and former members of the religious society. An attempt to keep that investigation out of the open ended in court on Thursday afternoon. Marinde van der Breggen & Rianne Oosterom23 January 2020, 17:25 Of the people who participated in the study, 292 people experienced abuse themselves. It is striking that nine people say that the abuse still takes place today. According to the investigators, the "formalistic system" used by the Jehovah's Witnesses does not as yet provide guarantees that reports of abuse are being dealt with adequately.
Within the society, reports of abuse are usually handled internally by a committee of elders, male leaders. Such a committee only comes when there are two witnesses to the abuse, or the perpetrator has known. If that is not the case, the matter is left "in Jehovah's hands." Three-quarters of the victims did not adequately state how their case was handled after they had uncovered it. Of all the victims who answered that question, nearly 60 percent gave the Witness approach a score of 1. Two thirds of the victims who did go to the police were satisfied with how they were helped there. The most commonly given report mark there is a 10. The findings of the research group, which was led by Professor of Social Psychology Kees van den Bos, correspond to the conclusions that Trouwt drew in a series of publications in 2017. It already showed that victims of abuse often receive insufficient help and perpetrators of abuse often freely which creates a dangerous situation for children. Victims experience no recognition for what has happened to them, which means that the way they are treated is often a second trauma to them, the researchers write. They state that the rules of the Jehovah's Witnesses state that much attention must be paid to the victims, but that in practice much more attention is paid to the alleged perpetrator. "Many interventions in the community are aimed at keeping that person within the community." Victim Marianne de Voogd, who earlier in Trouw told about the abuse at the age of 13 by a man from her municipality, is very happy with the outcome of the investigation. She experienced no support whatsoever when her abuse case was dealt with internally. "This means that the Jehovah's Witnesses can no longer put me away like a liar." Closed character The characteristics of the Jehovah community, such as the strong male hierarchy, the closedness of the community and the strict sexual morality contribute to the painful experience of victims, the researchers noted in in-depth interviews with ten (former) members of the society . According to the researchers, the closedness prevents transparent handling of abuse. They call on the community of Jehovah's Witnesses to set up an internal hotline for victims of abuse, "with good knowledge of the matter and the internal and external routes that victims can walk" and to report annually on the activities of this hotline , but fellow believers and society. The researchers also want a cultural shift - more openness and transparency about sexual abuse - in which women also have a clear role to play. The report was sent to the House of Representatives with an accompanying letter from Minister Dekker. He speaks of a "very worrying image" and already urged the board of Jehovah's Witnesses Netherlands in December to adopt the recommendations. In particular the recommendation to set up a hotline. According to the minister, the board refused because they did not see the need for such a hotline. Interim relief The investigation was commissioned by Minister Sander Dekker for legal protection after the Witnesses themselves refused to conduct an independent investigation. The Scientific Research and Documentation Center (WODC) outsourced the assignment to Utrecht University. It was the first time in the Netherlands that the government launched such a study into a religious organization. The researchers set up an online hotline, conducted in-depth interviews, studied sexual abuse policies and looked at similar investigations in Australia and the UK. The Jehovah's Witnesses first cooperated in the research of the university, but tried to stop the publication at the last minute by bringing summary proceedings. They find the report scientifically and factually incorrect and call the results "defamatory". They flew in for the case with the assistance of Shane Brady, a lawyer employed by the international Watchtower who handles cases for the Jehovah's Witnesses from Russia to Canada. This afternoon it appeared in the court of Utrecht that the judge did not agree with the Witnesses' request, because he considered abuses in society more important than the possible reputation damage of the Jehovah's Witnesses. The judge takes it seriously that it is not a random publication, but an investigation wanted by the House of Representatives.