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  Public Apology to Bill Bowen

  by IslandWoman in

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  bill,.

  i forcefully opposed your posts concerning raymond franz.

  i must now apologize for all the things i said.. someone i trust has informed me of some things that have caused me to feel that without a doubt your position was the correct one.. ray franz should have supported you and not by his silence add support to the watchtower!

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  IslandWoman

  Ozzie,

  On this board I publicly called Bill Bowen names, I called him out in quite an angry way. I am now apologizing on this same board.

  No big mystery here, just trying to rectify a mistake.

  IW
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  Public Apology to Bill Bowen

  by IslandWoman in

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  bill,.

  i forcefully opposed your posts concerning raymond franz.

  i must now apologize for all the things i said.. someone i trust has informed me of some things that have caused me to feel that without a doubt your position was the correct one.. ray franz should have supported you and not by his silence add support to the watchtower!

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  IslandWoman

  Teejay,

  Even if Ray *does* have personal information about things yet revealed, does he truly owe anyone anything?

  Yes, if it could help others.

  If your daughter had been raped by an elder but the two witness rule prevented them from acting to disfellowship him, wouldn't it be nice to have on your side an affidavit by a former Governing Body member testifing to the fact that the Governing Body had covered over sex acts committed by their own against children. And that this is in part why they do not act against child rapists because they themselves are culpable?

  IW
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  Public Apology to Bill Bowen

  by IslandWoman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bill,.

  i forcefully opposed your posts concerning raymond franz.

  i must now apologize for all the things i said.. someone i trust has informed me of some things that have caused me to feel that without a doubt your position was the correct one.. ray franz should have supported you and not by his silence add support to the watchtower!

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  IslandWoman

  Teejay,

  I hope that Bill Bowen will come back here and post again. I was wrong and I hope that if he comes back the SilentLambs movement will be helped. Whatever Ray Franz knows he should tell us, are we not in spirit more closely related to him than the members of the Governing Body?

  IW
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  Public Apology to Bill Bowen

  by IslandWoman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bill,.

  i forcefully opposed your posts concerning raymond franz.

  i must now apologize for all the things i said.. someone i trust has informed me of some things that have caused me to feel that without a doubt your position was the correct one.. ray franz should have supported you and not by his silence add support to the watchtower!

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  IslandWoman

  Hi Brummie,

  No, I am not playing around. Bill was right.

  IW
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  Public Apology to Bill Bowen

  by IslandWoman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bill,.

  i forcefully opposed your posts concerning raymond franz.

  i must now apologize for all the things i said.. someone i trust has informed me of some things that have caused me to feel that without a doubt your position was the correct one.. ray franz should have supported you and not by his silence add support to the watchtower!

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  IslandWoman

  Bill,

  I forcefully opposed your posts concerning Raymond Franz. I must now apologize for all the things I said.

  Someone I trust has informed me of some things that have caused me to feel that without a doubt your position was the correct one.

  Ray Franz should have supported you and not by his silence add support to the Watchtower! Whatever he knows about Greenlees and Chitty he should reveal and he, imo, should also openly support the Silent Lambs. He of course has the right to do as he pleases, but integrity and love for brother should, imo, move him to speak out before his death when the things he knows will die with him.

  Please accept my apology.

  IW/Linda
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  I have something to say

  by LyinEyes in

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  i have my reasons for not saying much on this thread and i really think the warning was put out there and it is up to you to trust jes,,,,,,,,someone you have known a long damn time, or someone who has already been deceptive.

  i don't want to say anymore,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, my reasons are very important to me and there may be some that may want to pm me about this , if i feel i can trust them , i will answer questions.

  i will not answer some questions on this thread to protect a poster here whom i dont want to hurt , she is a sweet lady and he knows her well, i don't think she knows he is even on this forum.. you all know me,,,,,,,,,,, you know jes,,,,,,,,,,there is more to it than you think.

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  IslandWoman

  Lying on the internet?

  Lying on this board?

  It happens everyday!

  So the guy lied, let it go.

  IW
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  To Jst2laws, clarification please

  by IslandWoman in

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  you said about ray franz and the governing body arrangement:he was the reason that the gb arrangement took place.

  this change did not take place because a dissident corp member was looking for a chance to manipulate the political structure and take over.

  it took place because r franz was seeking biblical truth.

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  IslandWoman

  Jst2laws,

  Thank you for the reply. You said:

  Ray F next presented his proposed Aid Book article to Fred Franz with the question ‘would this not cause problems to present this information to the brothers yet set aside this scriptural arrangement in favor of the way the JW congregations were presently organized. Fred thought there would be no problem.

  The Aid Book was published with the new information on the Biblical administration of the congregations using the elder arrangement. It did cause a problem and in about four years the Presiding Overseer arrangement was replaced by a body of elders.

  I believe this is incorrect.

  The "Older Man" articles were published in the completed 1971 Aid book. It was at this very same assembly, where the completed Aid book was released, that the Elder arrangement was announced to the brothers. At some point afterwards the Congregation Servants and other responsible brothers (following the direction of the Society) started to meet together to decide which brothers would be recommended for appointment as elders. The following year, 1972, the first appointments of elders were announced in the congregations. The Elder arrangement did not come about because of "problems" caused by the Aid book articles in the congregations, it came directly from the top the very same year the Aid book was released. 1971 was also the year Ray Franz became a member of the Governing Body.

  The Aid book article on "Older Man" written by Ray Franz, has this to say about the 1st Century Governing Body:

  On the day of Pentecost the apostles acted as a body, with Peter serving as spokesman by the operation of God's ourpoured spirit. They were clearly "older men" in the spritual sense by virtue of their early and intimate association with Jesus and as ones commissioned to teach. The attitude of those becoming believers shows that they acknowledged the apostles as having governing authority in the new nation under Christ, and as having authority to make appointments to service, either directly as a body or through representatives, the apostle Paul being a notable example. To what extent others shared with the apostles in serving as a governing body of "older men" during this initial period is not known. However, by the time the issue of circumcision came to the fore, "older men" along with the apostles met in assembly to consider the matter. Their decision was made known to congregations in all places and was accepted as authoritative. Thus, even as some "older men" served Israel on a national basis, so it is evident that these "older men" with the apostles formed a governing body for the entire Christian congregation in all lands. Aid to Bible Understanding, page 1249-1250

  This paragraph leaves no room for an authoritative Presidency position over the Governing Body. Your initial statement on the other thread may have inadvertently been correct. Ray Franz was sincere but ironically his sincere efforts to cling to the 1st Century congregational structure has led to more problems in the Watchtower Society not less. As I said in the other thread, the 1st Century way of doing things has never worked! It was fine for that day but not today. Ironically, also as I said before, Ray Franz lives today unbound by an arrangement which he himself is responsible for. He lives under no congregational authority, no elder arrangement. It is quite a marvel of irony, imo.

  Thanks again for your comments, if you feel my account of the events of 1971 and 1972 are incorrect I would appreciate your input on this.

  IW
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  To Jst2laws, clarification please

  by IslandWoman in

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  you said about ray franz and the governing body arrangement:he was the reason that the gb arrangement took place.

  this change did not take place because a dissident corp member was looking for a chance to manipulate the political structure and take over.

  it took place because r franz was seeking biblical truth.

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  IslandWoman

  Hi Jst2laws,

  Your comment about Ray Franz initiating the Governing Body mirrored Amazing's similar comment.

  You said:

  So do you think it is possible that by now Ray Franz would have been the President of the Watchtower if the GB arrangement had not taken place? is

  no, he was the reason that the gb arrangement took place. This change did not take place because a dissident corp member was looking for a chance to manipulate the political structure and take over. It took place because R Franz was seeking Biblical truth.

  If Ray Franz did not agree with the Governing Body concept why would you say "he was the reason that the gb arrangement took place" without clarifying his position on the GB arrangement?

  You wrote:

  I should have clarified that my use of “GB” representing the phrase Governing Body was in the context of how the Watchtower Society presently operates, opposed to how it operated for the first 100 years of it’s history.

  This goes without saying. I was not addressing how the Society operated 100 years ago as opposed to today but what Ray Franz said, and what you said about him.

  You and Amazing said Ray Franz initiated the Governing Body arrangement. Please answer in a plain statement. Did he or didn't he? And if not what did you mean by your statement? I would appreciate forthright statements please.

  Thank you,

  IW

  I would like to add, that had I not started this additional thread it would have seemed to many here that Ray Franz initiated the Governing Body idea, since this is what was stated on the other thread. If this is not true then his "friends" came close to doing him a great disservice. imo
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  MUST READ - NEWSPAPER ARTICLE

  by SHUNNED FATHER in

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  calgary herald

  credit: calgary herald archive

  credit: calgary herald archive

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  IslandWoman

  For what it's worth, I have had a central line. It is more invasive than a regular IV but in no way was it more dangerous if it were to be pulled out. Mine was removed very simply, the nurse just pulled it out! No problem. The entrance was covered with a bandaid.

  My father was given chemo, his lines also could have been pulled out without great trauma.

  IW
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  To Jst2laws, clarification please

  by IslandWoman in

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  2. friends

  you said about ray franz and the governing body arrangement:he was the reason that the gb arrangement took place.

  this change did not take place because a dissident corp member was looking for a chance to manipulate the political structure and take over.

  it took place because r franz was seeking biblical truth.

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  IslandWoman

  Jst2laws,

  Thank you. Looking forward to your reply.

  IW