Posts by IslandWoman

264

Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

by ros in

jw
friends

i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

IslandWoman

"Hi Alan,

: Weight of evidence is fine, but if all science was simply based on the weight of evidence of past theories than the earth would still be the center of the universe, the stars are still going around us aren't they?
This is a really bad example, IW. There never was any "weight of evidence", scientifically speaking, for the earth being the center of the universe. There never was any scientific evidence at all. The only reason people thought that was because of mythical notions handed down in hoary theological works like the Bible.

Sorry, you are wrong about that. The ancients observed the sky and saw sun, moon and stars crossing above them, this observation led to their assumption that the stars revolved around the earth. The Greek Astronomer Eudoxus, 408-355 B.C., thought the earth was at the center of a sphere within which the stars rotated.

Observation is still a well known and accepted tool of scientific discovery.

"Only reason" is patently wrong."

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This post got stuck in your craw. Upchucking is the only way out sometimes, that's fine with me.

This is not about losing or winning a discussion it's about honesty. You lose.

IW

28

Best definition of the Bible I've ever seen...

by logansrun in

this was emailed to me from a friend...

the old testament is a compilation of convenient myth and a history of racial justification and aggrandisement, threaded through with rules of hygiene and behaviour, all devised to convince the children of israel that as god's chosen race, no matter what calamities befell them as victims of babylon and egypt and no matter what calamities they wantonly inflicted on other races and religions, they should strive to increase in number, power and extent.

the new testament, as expressed in the four gospels, is a dispensation from the narrow and proscriptive uncharity of the jews, appealing to the greek and latin temperament.

IslandWoman

Hi Bradley,

I don't believe in Biblical literalism, I do believe though that the Bible has worth.

IW

264

Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

by ros in

jw
friends

i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

IslandWoman

SS,

I play fair. I play fair with anyone who plays fair with me.

IW

264

Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

by ros in

jw
friends

i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

IslandWoman

Hi SS,

In IW's statement of some time ago, she said that she respects no rules in her discussions.

If you mean the made up rules of the prominant H2O posters around here, then damn well I don't. lol

Point by point shenanigans:

Poster A, "I think the earth is under siege, the environment is suffering and the politicians don't do a damn thing."

Old H2O poster response,

I think

You think? Prove it!

the earth

What do you mean by the earth? Are you sure you know what that means, you dipfuck?

under siege

You moron, the earth is a planet how can a planet be under siege? Are you talking aliens here or what, you idiot.

the environment

Look you brainless idiot, the "environment" encompasses a whole lot of things. Are you talking about the ocean, the atmosphere, the land, or the whole shabang. Be more specific, only trying to help you think!

is suffering

Do you know the definition of "suffering"? Define it you moron before you use it.

and the politicians don't do a damn thing.

And what have you done?

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IW

264

Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

by ros in

jw
friends

i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

IslandWoman

Alan,

I will tell you why I did not answer you post point by point.

On H2O the favorite thing to do was, as you and some other old H2O posters do, answer sentence by sentence, point by point. But you know what I have noticed? That method addresses points but not overall themes.

Your post to me was full of stretching, you stretch Alan. I do not address outright muppet-like stretching of what I said.

As for my last point to you, it is interesting that you chose that post to decide you no longer were going to address my points. I have watched you Alan for some time. When you have been caught in a significant mistake you either do not reply or you attack the poster.

You know, intelligence is fine but it does not always make for maturity.

IW

264

Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

by ros in

jw
friends

i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

IslandWoman

Alan,

Your last reply truly baffles me. What did I do wrong? How did a debate or discussion turn into disrespect? Truly, I am at a loss to understand.

I called you on something you said, is that so bad?

IW

264

Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

by ros in

jw
friends

i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

IslandWoman

Alan,

This was my next to last post to you:

Sorry, you are wrong about that. The ancients observed the sky and saw sun, moon and stars crossing above them, this observation led to their assumption that the stars revolved around the earth. The Greek Astronomer Eudoxus, 408-355 B.C., thought the earth was at the center of a sphere within which the stars rotated.
Observation is still a well known and accepted tool of scientific discovery.
"Only reason" is patently wrong.
Also, I must disagree on your claim as to what the parameters of our discussion were. Like taffy you stretch all things to make them fit your argument. Good work, but flawed.

You replied with, "IslandWoman, you're wrong."

I said, "Prove it."

Then you say:

I've given you a dose of your own medicine. I spent a lot of time on that last answer to you, and I'm not going to deal with you if you show such disrespect as to dismiss all I said with such a flippant reply as your last. You want to play games with me? Fine. I'll play. But not under your rules.
AlanF

Please explain: what disrespect are you referring to? Also, how was my post flippant?

IW

54

Quesions about Jehovah

by the real truth in

i am not writing these quetions to offend anyone, i am just seeking honest answers.

will you jehovah's witnesses help me in finding answers?

there is only 1 god.

IslandWoman

As has been mentioned before on this site, the problem is with the ambiguity of the NT. The NT is a convoluted text that can play anyone's fiddle, if they choose a one note tune!

But, when all of Jesus' words are taken as a whole, he does put himself below the Father. When religionists give the excuse that he did so because he was a human at the time they are simply trying to put words in his mouth. He never qualified his words as only applying to his human existence.

This trinity stuff gets tiring real fast, it is stupid. The Bible taken as a whole does not support it.

IW

264

Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

by ros in

jw
friends

i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

IslandWoman

IslandWoman, you're wrong.

Prove it.

IW

28

Best definition of the Bible I've ever seen...

by logansrun in

this was emailed to me from a friend...

the old testament is a compilation of convenient myth and a history of racial justification and aggrandisement, threaded through with rules of hygiene and behaviour, all devised to convince the children of israel that as god's chosen race, no matter what calamities befell them as victims of babylon and egypt and no matter what calamities they wantonly inflicted on other races and religions, they should strive to increase in number, power and extent.

the new testament, as expressed in the four gospels, is a dispensation from the narrow and proscriptive uncharity of the jews, appealing to the greek and latin temperament.

IslandWoman

The Old Testament is a compilation of convenient myth and a history of racial justification and aggrandisement, threaded through with rules of hygiene and behaviour, all devised to convince the Children of Israel that as God's chosen race, no matter what calamities befell them as victims of Babylon and Egypt and no matter what calamities they wantonly inflicted on other races and religions, they should strive to increase in number, power and extent.

The New Testament, as expressed in the four Gospels, is a dispensation from the narrow and proscriptive uncharity of the Jews, appealing to the Greek and Latin temperament. And the Acts of the Apostles and the Epistles of St Paul, that sanctimonious master of self-adulation, record his efforts, physical and intellectual, to reverse the generosity of Christ's Christianity and wrestle the hopeful new religion back into the stifling folds of Jewish law and custom.

A gross diatribe, itself a "self-adulation".

IW