Does the US win? Or should I be getting a prayer mat?
ISP
the following information is a direct quote taken from the "report" volume i pages 94-100 made back in 1994.. ("the report" written & copyrighted 1994.).
what do "many lands" have to do with this one land, the "land of decoration?
but who is he, that is the "king of the north?
Does the US win? Or should I be getting a prayer mat?
ISP
i wonder what would happen if the governing body decided to drop the shunning of those who do not want to go along with the program?
how many closet dissidents are out there in j-dud land?
would they lose a million publishers?
I can see the 'official' shunning ending....but the dubs will still do it! Bit like transplants......the WTS demonised them for so long that when they changed the rule, many dubs continued in their merry way!
The WTS will say that folks have a free choice...................
ISP
did any of you hear any of the urban legends that jw's used to scare people into being deathly afraid of demons?
for example i remeber hearing that a child brough a smurf doll to a meeting and upon hearing the name jehovah uttered it got up and walked out.
got any j-dub urban legends?
I think a lot of 'fundies' chomped on the Proctor and Gamble. They changed it in the end......just wasn't worth the effort trying to explain it to a brain dead.....but nevertheless potentially profitable customer base.
ISP
is there anywhere i can download watchtower 99 or any version for that matter for research.
Hey Joules, check your message box!
ISP
did any of you hear any of the urban legends that jw's used to scare people into being deathly afraid of demons?
for example i remeber hearing that a child brough a smurf doll to a meeting and upon hearing the name jehovah uttered it got up and walked out.
got any j-dub urban legends?
I remember being told that smarties had cochineal in and so we couldn't eat them! Then there was the mysterious logo on Proctor and Gamble products that was the result of a pact with the devil........or something like that.
ISP
friday, october 4, 2002. shrine to victims of tragic error.
wreaths, flags, prayers mark place where hundreds of civilians died.
seattle post-intelligencer foreign desk editor.
I noticed a few responses that were along the lines of 'so what - Saddam has done worse' . Is that it? If we kill less than him, we are OK?!
ISP
1) jehovah is a spirit creature , you agree with this ,ok.. now let us move on , also we have been shown throughout the scriptures that jehovah god is seen as a bright light,no man has ever seen him they have only been able to see or feel his radiance,men have felt his glory,men have felt his presence,even mosess wasnot able to withstand the eminence radiating from god,.
when we look to the collection of various animals on the earth, take africa for instance,hundreds of different species,roaming around the planet earth all in specific herds ,lions monkeys, birds,zebra etc etc is this seen as a zooalogical collection placed on the planet by a supreme being.. .
look to the larger picture, what are your thoughts are humans also a part of this great collection,if man is a part of this collection ,what planet was he abducted from ,and whom done the abduction????????????????.
Here ya go...the JW god uses anti-matter!!!
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/32612/1.ashx
Beat that!
ISP
1) jehovah is a spirit creature , you agree with this ,ok.. now let us move on , also we have been shown throughout the scriptures that jehovah god is seen as a bright light,no man has ever seen him they have only been able to see or feel his radiance,men have felt his glory,men have felt his presence,even mosess wasnot able to withstand the eminence radiating from god,.
when we look to the collection of various animals on the earth, take africa for instance,hundreds of different species,roaming around the planet earth all in specific herds ,lions monkeys, birds,zebra etc etc is this seen as a zooalogical collection placed on the planet by a supreme being.. .
look to the larger picture, what are your thoughts are humans also a part of this great collection,if man is a part of this collection ,what planet was he abducted from ,and whom done the abduction????????????????.
Jehovah God is the JWs super hero deity thing........his name means 'He becomes what we want him to be'.........bit like the Silver Surfer.......
ISP
sphere gave a comment on my thread about wanting to beat someone up and he/she said that they had elder fantasies.
do you have any elder fantasies that you would like to share?
I wouldn't mind delivering a truckload of horse manure to my PO.
ISP
friday, october 4, 2002. shrine to victims of tragic error.
wreaths, flags, prayers mark place where hundreds of civilians died.
seattle post-intelligencer foreign desk editor.
Friday, October 4, 2002
Shrine to victims of tragic error
Wreaths, flags, prayers mark place where hundreds of civilians died
By LARRY JOHNSON
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER FOREIGN DESK EDITOR
BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Al-Amiriya is an example of the worst that can happen, despite smart people and smart bombs.
In February 1991, during the Persian Gulf War, a U.S. bomb punched a hole through the roof of the Al-Amiriya bomb shelter; seconds later a missile plowed through the opening.
Paul Kitagaki Jr. / P-I | ||
An Iraqi man holds a peace offering at the Al-Amiriya bomb shelter in Baghdad, where by Iraqi count 408 civilians died after a U.S. bomb and missile destroyed it in 1991. |
By Iraqi count, the blasts killed 408 civilians, mostly women and children. Many were killed by the concussion, the rest by a fire so intense it left flash-burned outlines of women and infants on the walls that are still visible today.
The United States has said it believed it was targeting a military command center.
Today, although much of the visible damage in Baghdad from the Gulf War has been repaired, the shelter remains largely as it was after the bombing. It is in a pleasant, middle-class neighborhood, although, with potholes and broken windows here and there, it is a neighborhood that is showing signs of wear.
The shelter has become a pilgrimage site for political and religious delegations that come to Baghdad. The cool, gray and charcoal-colored corridors are lined with memorial wreaths and the flags of many nations, along with signed prayers from foreign leaders.
There also are hundreds of photos and drawings of the women and children who died, along with favorite toys, books and other personal belongings left by survivors.
Paul Kitagaki Jr. / P-I | ||
Photographs and drawings of those who were killed, many of them women and children, line the walls of the Al-Amiriya bomb shelter. |
Fatima, a middle-aged woman who lost her husband and children in the bombing, greets all visitors at the entrance. The night of the attack, she had gone to a friend's house. She said, "I should get back to the shelter." But her friend said, "You go there every night, so, why don't you just stay here tonight."
She did, and now she is alone.
After the bodies were removed from the shelter, Fatima moved onto the grounds and has never left. She lives there, giving tours to anyone who comes along, and asks for donations to maintain the site as a shrine.
The deaths at the shelter were just part of the toll from the Gulf War. Estimates vary dramatically on both the number of non-combatants killed -- anywhere from fewer than 1,000 to 25,000 -- and soldiers killed -- from a little more than 1,000 to tens of thousands.
There were 214 U.S. and allied casualties during the war.
If the United States launches an attack, this time the death toll could be higher, from the immediate fighting and from the renewed destruction of the country's infrastructure, according to U.N. officials and in the opinion of people on the streets.
"We don't like the war . . . it is horrible, but, believe me, everyone in Iraq will fight," said Al' Saeed, a technical engineer at an office on Karata Street, in a busy commercial district of the city. "We have lived from 1990 until now with the embargo, also another kind of war, a kind of fighting . . . with food and medicine. It is very bad."
Many Iraqis who could afford to have left the country -- at least 1 million of Iraq's 23 million people in the past 12 years. They are the ones with the most education, the cream of the middle class.
Those who remain could face a food crisis if war breaks out, some believe.
Although the past two years have brought good rainfall, which means a good harvest this year of wheat and dates, many Iraqis would starve without the United Nations food program. The average Iraqi has about six weeks of food at home, and there is perhaps another six weeks in U.N. storehouses.
EDITOR'S NOTE:
P-I foreign desk editor Larry Johnson and photographer Paul Kitagaki Jr. have been dispatched to Iraq to report on the mood and conditions as the country is under threat of attack from the United States. They are among only a handful of Western journalists reporting from Iraq.
Reach P-I foreign desk editor Larry Johnson at 206-448-8035 or [email protected]