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  Holy Spirit

  by KDubbz in

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  i don't know if this has been discussed before but i'm still going to post this.

  i flew to philly from miami to visit my parents on tuesday.

  i'm staying in philly for a week.

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  PSacramento

  The WT will counter with the fact that many impersonal things are given personal traits in the bible, such as the land needing to rest.
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  Jesus.....God or God's son?

  by digderidoo in

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  following on from a post of sacolton's on a recent thread.

  i hope he doesn't mind me cutting and pasting it as i want to examine it.. was jesus our god?

  consider these two scriptures:.

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  I think that, when the formualtion of the Trinity doctrine was coming to be, it was ebecause of the issue of referenincing OT passages with NT passages.

  The people of that time, typiclaly "reformed Jews" and "reformed pagans", were struggling with the concept of a Divine Jesus and he he relates to His Father and how that effected the passages in the OT or better the Old Convenant.

  EX: In the Old convenant Gos is the only one that forgives sins, that reedems, that Judges, but in the New Covenant that role ( amongst many others) is applied to Jesus.

  Does that make Jesus God? does it make him THE God ?

  The Trinity was a way on interpreting that relationship between God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, for it seemed that in this New Convenant, when COMPARED to the Old, there was some "intermixing, and as we can imagine for the Jews of that time, some confusion.

  Jesus being God "solved" that problem, even if it was not entirely scriptural.

  The Fact is, with the New Covenant Jesus became Saviour, Redeemer and Judge, because his Father willed it so, because that is how it had always been, since the beginning. Jesus didn't had tp be God, he is all the God is for he is the full manifestation of God.
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  What would Christianity look like without Paul's writings?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  a thowoff from ren's thread obviously.. i am firmly convinced that what is called christianity today - is actually just pauline theology.. if you removed all the portions of the nt that are attributed to paul, and actually accepted as primary the words of jesus and his direct followers - the worldwide movement would look far different doctrinally.

  and as far as the fundy's go - they would be lost without the deep judgmentalism and rules oriented thinking of this writer [whomever he really was].. if ren's thread could go 15 pages and counting - why not this one?.

  thoughts?.

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  I think that the fact paul focused a bit on stuff that the other writers didn't, like how to choose overseers and such, how women shoudl dress and whether people should marry, just shows that these were issues at the time.

  Lets not forget that while the other apostles were preaching to Jews (typically) with established "approved" tradtions, Paul was preaching to the Gentiles. many with pagan traditons not approved by Pauls Jewish upbringing.

  He simply stated what he believed to be the way to "correct" these views within the context of those times.
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  Jesus.....God or God's son?

  by digderidoo in

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  following on from a post of sacolton's on a recent thread.

  i hope he doesn't mind me cutting and pasting it as i want to examine it.. was jesus our god?

  consider these two scriptures:.

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  The doctrin of the Trinity doesn't say that jesus is 1/3 of God, but that God minifests himself completely in Jesus as well as the Holy Spirit.

  Think One God, 3 "manifestations".
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  Hebrews

  by PSacramento in

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  how does the wt explain:.

  hebrews 1- 5?.

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  Greatly appreciate that.

  The issue of the greek term Proskueno (SP?) is one i have had some debat with for some time, my point of contention is one of consistency, if an Author uses it in a certain way, worship for example, then one muat keep it constant, if not one goes outside the norms of trnaslations.

  The other issue is how the WT doesn't address the fact that Paul ( the authorship debate aside) makes it clear tha he does NOT view Jesus as an (inferior) angelic being.
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  Jesus.....God or God's son?

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  following on from a post of sacolton's on a recent thread.

  i hope he doesn't mind me cutting and pasting it as i want to examine it.. was jesus our god?

  consider these two scriptures:.

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  Jesus's birth is scripture, his title as Son of God is scriptural.

  The Trinity is an interpretation.
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  Name Things JWs Believe That Are Not Actually Biblically Provable

  by minimus in

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  here's one example: being a congregation publisher.

  nowhere in the bible does it say you should be a "publisher" and turn in your time if you preach.

  they try to twist the scriptures by saying that numbers are constantly being recorded in the bible so then conforming to the rules of being a publisher is from the scriptures.. yeah, right..

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  If I recall, Paul only boasted in Christ and his Cross....
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  Jesus.....God or God's son?

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  following on from a post of sacolton's on a recent thread.

  i hope he doesn't mind me cutting and pasting it as i want to examine it.. was jesus our god?

  consider these two scriptures:.

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  I think the issue arises when we compare OT with the NT and forget that, with the new convenant, many of the things that were God's "responsibility" became Jesus's.

  As the full embodiment of all of God's qualities, including his divinity, Jesus MAY be confused as God, but he is NOT God, he is the Son of God whome God has given all the POWER and AUTHORITY of God.

  Stephen knew this, if he had been stoned BEFORE the coming of Jesus he would have cried out to God, Jesus himself cried out to his father on the Cross, "to thee I comit my spirit", but Stephen knew that, with the New Covenant, that Jesus is the One to pray to, to commit to.
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  Hebrews

  by PSacramento in

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  how does the wt explain:.

  hebrews 1- 5?.

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  The First Chapter and its verses, yes.

  Thank you.
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  Trinitarianism

  by David-ben-Jesse in

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  interesting indeed, that other christian denominations adopted the false doctrine of the trinity from the catholics, who adopted it from the pagans.. the jehovah's witnesses got this right, and i think they deserve their name to be witnesses.. david.

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  I do not view the Trinity as scripture, it is at best an interpretation of the relationship between God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

  Jesus being Divine does not equal Jesus being God.