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  Opening Pandora's Box - By Barbara Anderson

  by flipper in

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  barbara wanted me to ost this information about her discussion at a seminar which was held in europe first, then chicago just a week or two ago.

  you'll find this link interesting.

  all comments welcome.

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  JWoods

  There are probably many categories: for example -

  a) - obvious cases of severe injury and loss of so much blood that it causes cardiac arrest. Pretty easy to say that if the patient refuses blood in this situation, he has pretty much committed suicide for "religious" reasons.

  b) - chronic illness which is likely to be fatal. Not taking blood might cause the person to die a little quicker, but they were going to die from the disease anyway.

  c) - sometimes (ugly to say) blood transfusion is given during ordinary surgery in conditions where it could have been avoided. If a person refuses this, and for some reason complications set in, and they die - it would be difficult to say no blood caused it. Might well have happened anyway.

  Anyway, like PSacremento says - we would look more reasonable (on a topic in which the JWs are vastly short of reason) if we just avoid making statements that cannot be reasonably proven.

  That was my point.
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  Opening Pandora's Box - By Barbara Anderson

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  barbara wanted me to ost this information about her discussion at a seminar which was held in europe first, then chicago just a week or two ago.

  you'll find this link interesting.

  all comments welcome.

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  JWoods

  Do you suppose that there is some kind of list of those who die because they refuse to take blood?
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  Opening Pandora's Box - By Barbara Anderson

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  barbara wanted me to ost this information about her discussion at a seminar which was held in europe first, then chicago just a week or two ago.

  you'll find this link interesting.

  all comments welcome.

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  JWoods

  +++ and that is exactly my feeling too, AllTimeJeff. We just don't know how many -

  "tens of thousands over the decades?" again - we just don't know. It sounds way to heavy to me. But, as you say - even ONE is way the hell too many.
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  Opening Pandora's Box - By Barbara Anderson

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  barbara wanted me to ost this information about her discussion at a seminar which was held in europe first, then chicago just a week or two ago.

  you'll find this link interesting.

  all comments welcome.

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  JWoods

  Beep - Beep - (JWoods backs up the truck)...

  It was not JWoods that said "literally thousands are dying each year for the lack of the I.V. needle..." If I had even posted such a thing, I would be expected to provide some kind of credible evidence. Let alone if I went so public as to provide it to the media as an announcement.

  Names provided were so far 84. Which are barely more than the society put up on the cover of that shameful Awake of kids that died without transfusions. While I agree that the anti-blood teaching is not biblical nor moral - I (and others) just questioned the veracity of the numbers in this statement.

  I submit that I hardly need to do any "research" to disprove some assertation by someone else which I found to be a little beyond the pale.

  (so to speak - "the pale". get it?).
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  Opening Pandora's Box - By Barbara Anderson

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  barbara wanted me to ost this information about her discussion at a seminar which was held in europe first, then chicago just a week or two ago.

  you'll find this link interesting.

  all comments welcome.

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  JWoods

  In-credulous, Blondie.

  Let's be honest. The deal is that I have publicly criticized some of the comments from this source and got publicly ridiculed for it.

  This thread plainly illustrates one of the reasons for my criticism.
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  Opening Pandora's Box - By Barbara Anderson

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  barbara wanted me to ost this information about her discussion at a seminar which was held in europe first, then chicago just a week or two ago.

  you'll find this link interesting.

  all comments welcome.

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  JWoods

  OK, but let's put this back on topic...

  I.E. - is it reasonable to say that "literally thousands of JWs are dying each year because they would not take a blood transfusion"...?

  One way to look at it would be - how many congregations are there in the U.S.? How many in the world?

  Would it be reasonable to say that even one member of every (five, ten, whatever) of these congregations demonstrably died without blood? And, by assumption, that they would have demonstrably LIVED if they had taken blood?

  I have a credulity problem with this statement. As probably any non-JW would if presented with it.
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  Opening Pandora's Box - By Barbara Anderson

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  barbara wanted me to ost this information about her discussion at a seminar which was held in europe first, then chicago just a week or two ago.

  you'll find this link interesting.

  all comments welcome.

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  JWoods

  BTW, this is #84 -

  1. Samuel Muscariello
     Jehovah's Witness, died in 1949. Refused blood transfusions. SOURCE (public media): 1975 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses, page 223 MORE

  Died in 1949? I did not know that the prohibition of blood transfusion went back that far.
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  Opening Pandora's Box - By Barbara Anderson

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  barbara wanted me to ost this information about her discussion at a seminar which was held in europe first, then chicago just a week or two ago.

  you'll find this link interesting.

  all comments welcome.

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  JWoods

  There were 84 names on that list. 84.

  I am trying to make a polite point here. We need simple truthful LOGIC much more than sensationalism.

  Sensationalism makes all ex-witnesses look foolish.
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  Opening Pandora's Box - By Barbara Anderson

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  barbara wanted me to ost this information about her discussion at a seminar which was held in europe first, then chicago just a week or two ago.

  you'll find this link interesting.

  all comments welcome.

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  JWoods

  Statistics are simply just that. The court of law needs actual names.
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  Polanski moral equivocation makes me sick...

  by avishai in

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  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-z-shore/polanskis-arrest-shame-on_b_301134.html.

  http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/09/the_outrageous_arrest_of_roman.html.

  http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/aleqm5jsliygp7jjrlsryfva5vj_hzhlsgd9b0f3503.

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  JWoods

  Never again will she serve the captian little umbrella drinkies in ten-forward (if he knows what is good for him) -