http://kristenfrihet.se/vtsvar/vtsvar1.pdf.
(thanks to augustin for bringing this to our attention in another thread.
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wow,
ok arguing for words, wheter "for" or "at" babylon, okay is one thing, but the issue, that shows how dishonest and deceptive the authors of the WTS really are, is their misqouting of scholars. Taking sentences out of context totally against the intent of the writer, is really not honorable for a religion, that claims to possess the one and only truth.
its actually quite disgusting....
i have been told that samuel herd gave a talk at the annual meeting that continues a specific rejection of the nuremberg standard within the organization.
by citing the example of gideon, he taught that if we obey a foolish or wrong command in jehovah's organization, we are not blamed by jehovah.
this continues and intensifies the arrogant (and yes, satanic) idea that 'we can't be wrong'.
very interesting indeed, because why would they even mention, that they possibly could say something wrong ? Before it was always "new light" when a chnage came, hardly they admitted mistake. Is this kind of a reaction to something going on ?
Do they maybe realize, that rank and file are questioning more and more what they teach and preach through the countless pages of their literature ?
hi everyone.
as a parting gift to you all before i take a much needed break from this forum, i thought you would be pleased to know that the independent, a leading uk newspaper, will be publishing a piece on the "mentally diseased" watchtower article in tomorrow's edition.. i would like to thank everybody who has assisted the journalist, jerome taylor, in his investigation.. best wishes to all of you,.
cedars.
Vive la revolution !!!
i gather from my other thread that many liked the creation books, the mankind search for god book, the greatest man book and the ministry school book.. but which book did you absolutely detest?.
here is mine:.
i thought it was a vile, hate filled book!.
"keep yourself in Gods love"
was one of the steps, that led me to finally look behind the curtain...when it came out in 2008, I quickly looked through it and was disgusted...
a few months later I went online .....
I also did not like the book about the prophets, I think came out 2006, oh and I was bored to death by the study of the Isaiah books....
Revelation book, even though lots of crazy stuff, I kind of liked (well I sci-fi and fantasy ;-)
yesterday, i opened a topix account so i could post the information about watch tower representatives attending the political ocse meeting in poland for two weeks and the proof that they are an ngo.
one of the posters responded with these words: .
"barbs-info," eh?
there was an article some years ago about the question, what constitutes the unforgivable sin, and it was kind of hinted (or even expressed clearly) that those who attack the slave (apostates e.g.) would fall into that category.
So in the mind of JW, people like Barb Anderson or Randy Watters etc are all guilty of the unforgiveable sin, have to look for this article at home..
maybe this has been discussed before but i'm starting to wonder why it is so important for wts to keep such a tight control over its members?.
is it because the gb and other folk in upper management are so delusional and psychotic, that they believe in the rubbish they spout?.
or is someone somewhere getting something (financially) out of this?.
Thats a good question, actually even an important one. Once discussing with a rather open minded friend some issues in the org, that bothered me. He actually agreed on many things, but he mentioned, that the difference to other religions (cults or whatever) our leaders do net get rich.
Technically he is right, if they would have lots of wealth, surely somebody in our age of information would have exposed it.
So whats the real reason ? Power ? Not riches but financial security ? or as Ray Franz said, are they just captives of a concept ?
It could easily be, I also, as an elder, believed once, I was chosen by God directly...so maybe they really believe it themselves...
I´m not sure, if they are deceivers, I rather think, they are experts in applying cognitive dissonance...
maybe this has been discussed before but i'm starting to wonder why it is so important for wts to keep such a tight control over its members?.
is it because the gb and other folk in upper management are so delusional and psychotic, that they believe in the rubbish they spout?.
or is someone somewhere getting something (financially) out of this?.
btw: I love scotland
may you all have peace!.
just came across this article:.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44629271/ns/technology_and_science-science/?gt1=43001.
was Einstein wrong ? surely he was, just like Newton, Aristotle and many others,....
however, their research and ideas were all a step closer to the "truth" wherever that may be, and whenever we may find out...
Only when science behaves like religion, when questioning long held beliefs is discouraged and frowned upon, then progress will stop.
i put on my blog recently an article reviewing the evidence regarding whether the star of bethlehem was guided by god or satan.
as we are well aware, this is a "pet point" of the witnesses and assists the wt viewpoint with regard to christmas and all things "pagan".. .
http://www.jwstruggle.com/2011/09/satans-star-re-examined/.
very interesting,
with this example one can see the stages of enlightenment,
catholic belief, three kings from east
JW belief, not kings, magis, unknown number, but led by satan...
ex-jw beleif, magis, unknown number, but not led by satan, gifts important for Gods purpose even...
wow, amazing, what comes next ?
when i was still serving as an elder in the late summer of 2006 in a congregation of jws in socal we received a letter from the "christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses" (read: the governing body) directing that anyone pursuing a higher education would be disqualified from privileges of service: elder, servant, pioneer, etc.
i remember this quite distinctly because i had just received by ba in education in june a few months before this.
in 2002, i had decided to pursue a degree under the society's then current "it's a personal decision" policy and was quite shocked at their drastic policy change.
they don't directly say, college education is wrong, and someone will loose their privilege.
They beat around the bush, but in the same time, create an athmosphere, were any higher education is viewed as suspicious. Its a way of subtle pressure to prevent brothers from pursuing higher education.
They are really masters of mind control, aren't they ?
