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  striking similarity to JW

  by inbetween in

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  ever heard of this church ?.

  example: http://rcg.org/articles/abcc.html.

  very similar reasoning to jw,...

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  ever heard of this church ?

  example: http://rcg.org/articles/abcc.html

  very similar reasoning to JW,..
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  What are the best things to first bring up to a JW parent about mistakes, lies, etc., from the GB?

  by Chemical Emotions in

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  i need advice..

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  usually older ones remember the hype about 1975, and if they are honest, they will have to madmit, that it was not the brothers running ahead, but it was the whole Org pushing this date.

  Its a little start, they surely considered it back then, and still stayed, however, reminding them and then introducing other mistakes of the borg may eventually bring in the straw that break the camles back.

  Then again, some camels are very strong....
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  evolution

  by inbetween in

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  since my awakening from the mind control of the wts, it has been an exciting also frigthening journey of exploration and free thinking.. i would say, today i try to be open to anything, i ll go whatever direction facts show.

  while i`m no scientist, i think i have a glue about the scientific method.

  i also agree with the statemant, that some extraordinary claim needs extraordinary proof.. so far, it is a difficult question whether god exists or not, and probably in my lifetime i will not get a conclusive answer.. however, my concerns are about evolution, since even a confirmation of evolution does not necessarily exclude the existence of a god, it just proivdes an alternative explanation, in case there is no god.. even though i did not really read a book yet about evolution, i read other books of people, whose reasoning i can agree to, and they believe in evolution.. .

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  I think, I´m getting the concept of evolution more clear now,

  all I need is to verify the proof, which is often in the fossil record. All I know about fossils is, yes you guessed right, from the WTS

  but thats something I have to look for and read about.

  The other day I watched a program on TV about some strange animal in Russia, a mole like thing, with tiny eyes, but blind.

  I thought, what does this particular animal point to, to a creator who made everything perfect (why then stunted eyes ?) or rather some kind of development over million of years, where in constant darkness eyes are more of a hindrance than a help.

  another point is, I even wondered as a full believing witness, why do animals get problems of old age like humans ?

  Amazingly, while I´m still not convinced about either model, creation or evolution, I learn to evaluate facts from a neutral stand, and do not need to brush off everything that is said in support of evolution, as most witnesses do.
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  evolution

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since my awakening from the mind control of the wts, it has been an exciting also frigthening journey of exploration and free thinking.. i would say, today i try to be open to anything, i ll go whatever direction facts show.

  while i`m no scientist, i think i have a glue about the scientific method.

  i also agree with the statemant, that some extraordinary claim needs extraordinary proof.. so far, it is a difficult question whether god exists or not, and probably in my lifetime i will not get a conclusive answer.. however, my concerns are about evolution, since even a confirmation of evolution does not necessarily exclude the existence of a god, it just proivdes an alternative explanation, in case there is no god.. even though i did not really read a book yet about evolution, i read other books of people, whose reasoning i can agree to, and they believe in evolution.. .

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  Thanks for the really good insights, I will seriously consider them, and may respond later, and also try to get some of the books you suggested.

  Also thanks DJeggnogg for posting the first page again, since I only can read the second page.
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  evolution

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since my awakening from the mind control of the wts, it has been an exciting also frigthening journey of exploration and free thinking.. i would say, today i try to be open to anything, i ll go whatever direction facts show.

  while i`m no scientist, i think i have a glue about the scientific method.

  i also agree with the statemant, that some extraordinary claim needs extraordinary proof.. so far, it is a difficult question whether god exists or not, and probably in my lifetime i will not get a conclusive answer.. however, my concerns are about evolution, since even a confirmation of evolution does not necessarily exclude the existence of a god, it just proivdes an alternative explanation, in case there is no god.. even though i did not really read a book yet about evolution, i read other books of people, whose reasoning i can agree to, and they believe in evolution.. .

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  sorry, strange, I can`t see the answers only my original post ?
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  evolution

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since my awakening from the mind control of the wts, it has been an exciting also frigthening journey of exploration and free thinking.. i would say, today i try to be open to anything, i ll go whatever direction facts show.

  while i`m no scientist, i think i have a glue about the scientific method.

  i also agree with the statemant, that some extraordinary claim needs extraordinary proof.. so far, it is a difficult question whether god exists or not, and probably in my lifetime i will not get a conclusive answer.. however, my concerns are about evolution, since even a confirmation of evolution does not necessarily exclude the existence of a god, it just proivdes an alternative explanation, in case there is no god.. even though i did not really read a book yet about evolution, i read other books of people, whose reasoning i can agree to, and they believe in evolution.. .

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  evolution

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since my awakening from the mind control of the wts, it has been an exciting also frigthening journey of exploration and free thinking.. i would say, today i try to be open to anything, i ll go whatever direction facts show.

  while i`m no scientist, i think i have a glue about the scientific method.

  i also agree with the statemant, that some extraordinary claim needs extraordinary proof.. so far, it is a difficult question whether god exists or not, and probably in my lifetime i will not get a conclusive answer.. however, my concerns are about evolution, since even a confirmation of evolution does not necessarily exclude the existence of a god, it just proivdes an alternative explanation, in case there is no god.. even though i did not really read a book yet about evolution, i read other books of people, whose reasoning i can agree to, and they believe in evolution.. .

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  since my awakening from the mind control of the WTS, it has been an exciting also frigthening journey of exploration and free thinking.

  I would say, today I try to be open to anything, I´ll go whatever direction facts show. While I`m no scientist, I think I have a glue about the scientific method. I also agree with the statemant, that some extraordinary claim needs extraordinary proof.

  So far, it is a difficult question whether God exists or not, and probably in my lifetime I will not get a conclusive answer.

  However, my concerns are about evolution, since even a confirmation of evolution does not necessarily exclude the existence of a God, it just proivdes an alternative explanation, in case there is no God.

  Even though I did not really read a book yet about evolution, I read other books of people, whose reasoning I can agree to, and they believe in evolution.

  Anyway, there a two points, which stand in the way of accepting the theory of evolution.

  1) missing link: I do not have to go into the fossil report, what puzzles me is, that there are no missing links alive today.

  Let me explain: According to my understanding of evolution, natural selection works together with mutations, so a change in an animal will survive, because it is better fit for a particular environment.

  This change must be gradual, perhaps affecting only one little area of the DNA. Lets call this animal of one kind A. The goal of evolution is animal of kind B. The one with the little change we call A+.

  So next must be many of A+ animals before the next advantageous change occurs, we call it A++.

  Then many of A++ must live in order for the next change and so on, until B occurs.

  My question: today we have animals of kind A and B all over the place, but where are the A+, A++ and so on ?

  There should have been much more of them, because of the nature of gradual change, which needs a big population of those animals. Even if they may be hidden in the fossil record, why are they not here today ?

  2) our brain

  We trust our brain to be able to discern this world and its natural laws, however, if it is only product of some natural selection process, how can we trust our brain in order to find out the truth ? On the other hand, by trusting our brain tobe able to find out all other things in nature, does it not imply, that it is from a higher source ?

  I would be very interested in your comments, I hope I made my points clear.

  English is not my first language, so I may not have succeeded in the endeavour for a precise language, sorry about that.

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  More anti-apostate rhetoric from the Watchtower - are they running scared?

  by cedars in

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  yes, the may 15th watchtower is now available for download from jw.org.. the final study article, on page 26, directs another salvo at apostates - and warns witnesses not to try arguing with them on the internet:.

  indeed, we ought to move as far away from wrongdoing as possible and not see how close we can get to it without being overcome by sin.

  for instance, we need to guard against succumbing to apostasy, a sin that would make us unfit to glorify god.

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  Let the witchhunt begin....

  articles like this are designed to raise suspicion among the witnesses,

  Lately people tend more and more to mention concerns about certain methods or teachings, the WTS knows that and reacts with articles like this.

  Its nothing new actaully, and years ago, this tactic may have well worked, but now, the evil internet......
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  When you read this sundays "Holy Spirit" Watchtower:

  by Lore in

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  mentally replace the word 'spirit' with 'magic'.

  14 jehovah has equipped us to resist the spirit.

  of the world.

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  last Wt study said, today we will not get wisdom in miracolous ways....

  ok, what then is the holy spirit supposed to be, if not something miracolous ? (or magic ;-)
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-03-2012 WT Study (WARNING)

  by blondie in

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  1, 2. in what ways can you benefit from bible examples?.

  find in him a good example of one who.

  that the only warning we find in solomons.

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  JW gone bad: I thought exactly the same thing, when I was at meeting yesterday.

  If a brother, even with the smallest privilege (like carrying the micros, yes its a privilege ;-)), would be removed immediatley if he started dating an unbelliever, but Solomon could be on Gods throne for 40 years despite repeated disregard for Gods laws, even be blessed with wisdom and granted to write bible books...

  what can we learn from Solomons example ? The WTS and their God do not make any sense at all, just live your life as you please, either its okay, or you will be grilled, you cant tell anyway....