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BOE - PDF - CONFIDENTIAL 2014-04-22 Adjustment in process for appointing elders and ministerial servants

by WatchTower87 in

boe - confidential.

instruction: press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.

no virus ;-).

BroGone

While irregular, really the CO's have always had this authority. They could appoint an elder over the objections of the body and send in the appointment or "recommendation" and the then the branch would make the appointment official. I personally know of situations where brothers getting "vetoed" by one elder and beiing put off again and again until "next time" the CO visits for literally years. Some bodies want to hoard the power with just a few. Some feel if a brother is a poor speaker that he cant be an elder. If the brother can teach on a one to one basis, say on a bible study, the CO would push it through/ I heard of CO's asking about why a brother hasn't been recommended. Certain ones said that he needed work on certain issues. The CO asked if they had talked to him about it. They said no. The CO then told them to appoint him.

I heard multiple times of bodies of elders deleted all at once.

Some bodies have withered down to only a few to no elders with some having only MS's doing all the talks. I personally served as MS were we had only one elder and four of us MS's. With so many brothers stepping down the society had to make some emergency changes. There's a new July 2014 Watchtower article thats on helping new and young brothers reach out.

I see a lot of elders being deleted for spouting off at the mouth about financial matter changes. This change is all about the society consolidating power. At the same time, if the society gets complaints about abusive CO's, I can see a lot of CO removals and new appointments.

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Letter to BOE: Adjustment in process for appointing elders and ministerial servants

by pixel in

hello, you read it here first!.

governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

to all congregations.

BroGone

While irregular, really the CO's have always had this authority. They could appoint an elder over the objections of the body and send in the appointment or "recommendation" and the then the branch would make the appointment official. I personally know of situations where brothers getting "vetoed" by one elder and beiing put off again and again until "next time" the CO visits for literally years. Some bodies want to hoard the power with just a few. Some feel if a brother is a poor speaker that he cant be an elder. If the brother can teach on a one to one basis, say on a bible study, the CO would push it through/ I heard of CO's asking about why a brother hasn't been recommended. Certain ones said that he needed work on certain issues. The CO asked if they had talked to him about it. They said no. The CO then told them to appoint him.

I heard multiple times of bodies of elders deleted all at once.

Some bodies have withered down to only a few to no elders with some having only MS's doing all the talks. I personally served as MS were we had only one elder and four of us MS's. With so many brothers stepping down the society had to make some emergency changes. There's a new July 2014 Watchtower article thats on helping new and young brothers reach out.

I see a lot of elders being deleted for spouting off at the mouth about financial matter changes. This change is all about the society consolidating power. At the same time, if the society gets complaints about abusive CO's, I can see a lot of CO removals and new appointments.

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by BroGone in

friday.

to you it is granted tounderstand the .

sacred secrets of the kingdom .

BroGone

FRIDAY

“To You It Is Granted toUnderstand the

Sacred Secrets of the Kingdom”

—Matthew13:11

Morning
9:20 Music
9:30 Song No. 40 and Prayer

10:20 Symposium:AppreciatingtheThrones
ofDivineRulership
Jehovah’sThrone(Psalm103:19)
Jesus’Throne(Matthew25:31)
TheThronesofthe144,000(Matthew19:28;
Revelation20:4)

Psalms 103:19 " Jehovah has firmly established his throne in the heavens;+ And his kingship rules over everything And his kingship rules over everything."

Matthew 25:31 " When the Son of man + comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, + then he will sit down on his glorious throne 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep+ on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world."

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Question For Current Elder On Public Reproof & Restrictions

by BroGone in

first of all, i have no intentions of confessing any thing to a committee!

but i've got the goods on my ex-father-in-law that will get him disfellowshipped.

i don't normally go around doing that kind of thing, but he lied and had another elder lie trying to get me disfellowshipped when ever my wife walked out on my seven-year-old son and 10-year-old daughter to fly from al to ny to be with a man she met on the internet.

BroGone

I left out that just after my ex-sister-in-law got a divorce, the Austalian came to AL. After he had been here 6 weeks my father-in-law arranged a quick bible study. He got baptized on Saturday and they got married the following Monday.

The gist of the letter is that the Australian while in Australia says that her family was trying to keep them apart. He mentions how her first husband finds all the letters the Australian had written her. The Australian mentions in the letter that the first husband calls her father in an effort to save their marriage. The father goes over to GA from AL. The Australian mentions that the first husband shows the father the letters and asks him to counsel his daughter not to leave him for the Australian. In the letter the Australian admits that the baby is his and even names the baby.

To summarize: This letter proves that my ex-father-in-law knew "before" his daughter left GA for Australia that she had been pregnant by another man but had a "miscarriage", but he didn't turn her in to the local elders in GA. Then when she gets back from Australia, after three months, she goes to AL to live with her father. He as an elder, goes in the committee meeting with her, tells her to say she just had a "miscarriage", and to cry and he would says she's about to have a nervous breakdown. So he's guilty of lying to the commitee, not turning her in to the brothers in GA, and withholding information.

Of course, I could just anonymously mail a copy of the letter to just about everybody in the congregation and several elders in nearby congregations and let the feathers fly. The congregation was already pissed off that she didn't get DF'd. Then they'd have to handle him.

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Question For Current Elder On Public Reproof & Restrictions

by BroGone in

first of all, i have no intentions of confessing any thing to a committee!

but i've got the goods on my ex-father-in-law that will get him disfellowshipped.

i don't normally go around doing that kind of thing, but he lied and had another elder lie trying to get me disfellowshipped when ever my wife walked out on my seven-year-old son and 10-year-old daughter to fly from al to ny to be with a man she met on the internet.

BroGone

First of all, I have NO intentions of confessing any thing to a committee! But I've got the goods on my ex-father-in-law that will get him disfellowshipped. I don't normally go around doing that kind of thing, but he lied and had another elder lie trying to get me disfellowshipped when ever my wife walked out on my seven-year-old son and 10-year-old daughter to fly from AL to NY to be with a man she met on the internet. She came back to town a week later and stayed with her sister. Her father was/is an elder in that cong . When my ex-wife met with the committee, they grilled her trying to get her to say something they could disfellowship me for. She told me when she didn't come up with anything they got upset. I called the CO to make sure she was DF'd. The CO made a special trip to make sure everything was handled properly. Had I not called him, those SOB's would have DF'd me!

Her sister did a similar thing two years earlier, but her sister's internet man came to the US from Australia got her pregnant (her husband had a vasectomy). She mysteriously has a "miscarriage". Then her sister leaves her two-year-old and four-year-old with her husband and flies to Australia from GA. She stays nearly 3 months in Australia with the man. She finally flies to AL to live with her father the elder. My ex-father-in-law goes with her into the committee meeting, told her to say she just had a miscarriage (don't mention who the real father was), and her daddy says she is about to have a nervous breakdown. The Committee "public reproved" her. The congration went wild!! My wife's brother was also an elder, but wasn't in on the committee. Her other brother was a ministerial servant. They new enough of the details. Most of the congregation new most of the big things. Not who the father was. The rafters shook. They raised more hell!

Hypothetically, someone that has been in-active for several years starts reattending meetings. He approaches the elders confessing a "single" act of fornication and was found "repentant". The only ones aware of the fornication are his two non-believing children and his disfellowshipped ex-wife (they were divorced and she disfellowshipped years before this act). Could he expect public or private reproof? What about restriction (i.e. commenting at meetings).

I need to get the news out by my ex-wife that I have been publicly or privately reproved and what restrictions. After a reasonable amount of time, I want to bring out my evidence (a letter the sister's man mailed to the sister that arrived at my house while she was in Australia that my ex-wife opened and showed me) that my father-in-law knowingly withheld information and lied to the 1st daughter's committee. I don't want to be active. I just need to know what to tell my ex-wife. If it matters my ex, kids and I live in a metropolitan area and her family live in a hillbilly backwards town 10 hours away now.

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Honesty in Field Service Reports....This week's CBS topic (among others)

by Open mind in

this week's congregation "bible" study.

the drone running the show asked an auxiliary question (tm):.

"so, what could be some of the consequences if people weren't honest in reporting their field service?".

BroGone

"So, what would be some of the consequences if people didn't report their field service time correctly?"

Try, 75% of the elders would be deleted because they didn't keep up with the 10 hours per month (I hear lately they are even not enforcing that).

They'd probably lose 90% of the regular pioneers. They used to talk about pioneers who were members of the "Secret Service". They got their time in, but were never seen in service.

Once people realize what a sham this is, they have no problem filling in a time sheet. Its just "playing the game."

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Yay for Womanhood! Female Min.Serv's under consideration.

by cattails in

the "priscilla" deliberations.. gb subcommittees now re-considering role of women in the organization.. example of phoebe as "diakonos" revisited.. could women be appointed to ministerial servant positions in view of the need in congregations?.

what's your take on latest rumors?

http://www.extjforo.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14821.

BroGone

I apologize in advance.

I know it sounds mean but how's "Menstrual Servants" sound?

It's degrading. But that's the Society's style.

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Yay for Womanhood! Female Min.Serv's under consideration.

by cattails in

the "priscilla" deliberations.. gb subcommittees now re-considering role of women in the organization.. example of phoebe as "diakonos" revisited.. could women be appointed to ministerial servant positions in view of the need in congregations?.

what's your take on latest rumors?

http://www.extjforo.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14821.

BroGone

What's the big deal?

When I was growing up

we only had one elder

and she smoked!

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As of July 1st No more reimbursements directly to CO's etc. from congregations.

by cattails in

well if i read it correctly it seems that at the spanish extj.com forum.

there's a letter (in spanish of course) saying there's a change in the.

way reimbursement of expenses are going to be made for co's, and.

BroGone

Thanks BluesBrother. I've been a lurker for years.

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As of July 1st No more reimbursements directly to CO's etc. from congregations.

by cattails in

well if i read it correctly it seems that at the spanish extj.com forum.

there's a letter (in spanish of course) saying there's a change in the.

way reimbursement of expenses are going to be made for co's, and.

BroGone

I'm not sure exactly which reimbursements they have in mind. Unless I've remembered incorrectly , but after the CO leaves as part of the accounts report the accounts servant announces that the CO's personal expenses were submitted to the congregation for payment (usually less than $100). These expenses were for any number of things that may have come up during his visit (stationary, stamps, 'used to be' congregation-related phone calls, car washes ). Some CO's were more creative with finding things to bill the congregation for than others.