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Satan is not that smart, is he?

by dgp in

i was just reading brenda lee's "out of the cocoon" and found an idea that i share just to let some steam off.. according to the fable, satan (this guy .

dgp

On a more serious note, the real point I wanted to make is this: This is yet another way in which what they tell you just doesn't add up. You can't believe such a smart but foolish antagonist really exists.

I am sure you all have read the Book of Job. In my opinion, in that book Jehovah does not seem to be a loving god. He takes a bet with Satan and they make Job's life miserable. Job's children die, by the way; so Jehovah disposes of fairly good people. I know that it can be said that it was Satan who appears to be doing all the nasty things, but Jehovah took the bet, so he is equally responsible. If we believe that Jehovah already knew he would win, then He doesn't look very moral from another angle; he makes his good servant miserable over a meaningless bet. Satan, on the other hand, appears even more foolish. He takes a bet that he can't win. It's as you people took a bet on whether I have a white shirt on at this moment, or not. Would you take it?

Like I said, this doesn't add up, either.

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Dec. 15th WT - WT Society REALLY Minimizes Earning a Decent Living

by flipper in

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it's ridiculous.

i saw this so much in my 44 years in the jehovah's witness cult.

whether it was elders, pioneers, or other people in the cult criticizing others for working too much at their employment or missing some service or meetings due to employment.

dgp

Mr. Flipper, I wonder if you could post a scan of that Watchtower. This is a very relevant point with regard to the person I met.

On another note, I very much like this statement by can'tleave: "we generally are not motivated just by money, we make decisions based on numerous factors". I wonder whether the writers of this Watchtower have considered that your retirement pay depends on how much you contributed to the system in your younger years. Since almost all populations around the world are ageing, most, if not all social security systems will have trouble making payments in the not so distant future. What is going to happen to the witnesses then?

I have the feeling that they will claim that "the time is reduced" anyways. Yep, indeed: the time is reduced if you want to make payments to your retirement fund.

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Are Jehovah's Witness men good catches?

by garyneal in

i've stated this before on this message board but i was kind of curious about this and wanted to get some feedback from the group.

in particular, the ladies who are either current or former jw's.. about a year or so ago, my wife went with me to a church i was attending at the time.

we then later that morning attended a kh meeting.

dgp

Gary, then you have help at home. Your father-in-law can help you manage. I wonder if you notice that you have another advantage, namely that you rmother-in-law was also involved with a non-witness. I assume the family JUST KNOWS that we're all not that bad. I don't have good feelings about the father. I am afraid he should be more honest and forgiving with someone who is just like he was at some point.

I do hope you two find a way to stay happily married. If the child comes, please let us know.

Hang around and keep posting.

Three million cheers for you

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Satan is not that smart, is he?

by dgp in

i was just reading brenda lee's "out of the cocoon" and found an idea that i share just to let some steam off.. according to the fable, satan (this guy .

dgp

Dr. JohnStMark,

Sorry. Do you mean that the explanation for Satan the Devil's psychology is not Biblical? Do you think we would find that explanation in the Watchtower? Would this qualify as a "Question from Readers"?

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Satan is not that smart, is he?

by dgp in

i was just reading brenda lee's "out of the cocoon" and found an idea that i share just to let some steam off.. according to the fable, satan (this guy .

dgp

I was just reading Brenda Lee's "Out of the Cocoon" and found an idea that I share just to let some steam off.

According to the fable, Satan (this guy ) is a very cunning bastard who is always finding new ways to lead people astray, including the despicable worldlies that belong to him anyways (Satan has not learned that such people will not count when he puts his time card in). The thing is, Jehovah ( ) let him off his leash, so he can have fun tempting worldlies () and witnesses (the Small Flock and the Other Sheep ), getting someone disfellowshipped (), having virgins lose their virginities(,) organizing birthday parties (), giving Christmas presents () and posting on JWN under aliases such as "Angel Eyes" (that was so cunning), and so on. Once the time is right, I mean, once Jehovah ( ) thinks Satan has stretched his legs long enough, will tie the bad guy again, only to let him off one more time so more not-so-devout witnesses will get disfellowshipped () and destroyed. In the end, however, will get him again, and everyone (but Satan and his Pussycats) will live happily. So, why is Satan the Devil bothering to play this game at all? Does Satan sound like a cunning guy, after all? Even the worldlies know he will lose the game! Can anyone shed new light () on this? Any Satanologist out there?

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Are Jehovah's Witness men good catches?

by garyneal in

i've stated this before on this message board but i was kind of curious about this and wanted to get some feedback from the group.

in particular, the ladies who are either current or former jw's.. about a year or so ago, my wife went with me to a church i was attending at the time.

we then later that morning attended a kh meeting.

dgp

Greenie, you raise an interesting point. "My" witness has some real virtues, which she thinks are due to the society, not to herself. I praised her on those virtues, as they were, really, what got me attracted to her. She always said she wondered how come "people" can't get to see that the witnesses are the happiest people on earth. She didn't try to talk to me about her religion, or take me to a Kingdom Hall, until she knew I was interested in her. I didn't get to see a magazine from her before that.

I suppose that some people will fall for you and then will realize they "can't" be with you unless you join the society. But, it can't be said just like that. First, they will probably lie to themselves thinking that nothing is going on, I'm just being polite with this worldly being, yadda, yadda. Then it gets more serious, when they get to really like you, and that's when they have a problem, as they realize that they are doing what they are NOT supposed to be doing, and that does cause a conflict to them. If only you converted... then the conflict would be over, you'd be spared at Armageddon, and then, Obladi, Oblada, "Happy ever after in the market place..." That's when they start pushing. Gently at first, then they sort of want you to convert after one meeting.

Butterflyleia85, your mother seemed to really love your step-father. She tried to compromise. That doesn't seem to be the case with me or Gary Neal, or most witnesses. Or Confuzzled, or Greenie.

Greenie, thank you. You must be a good catch, too. If only the brother realized of that...

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Just was given the 'cold shoulder' by my own sister in public...

by babygirl30 in

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that fat, sloppy, nasty b*tch is the one person on this earth i cannot stand.

yes...i said it... i cannot stand my own sister!

the girl is bpd (borderline personality disorder) and so she technically is mentally ill - but it makes her a terribly vindictive and hateful person.

dgp

Not to pass for spiritual, but, when you forgive, the person who hurt you stops having any influence over you. I have personally experienced this.

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Hello from me!

by Gonefullcircle in

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hello everyone.. after many months of lurking through my the worst time in my life and then not reading any posts since the website changed hands, i just wanted to say hello!.

all the stalwarts on here helped me so much through the worst times (born in, left when i was 34) i was too emotional to ever comment, but now i am ready to help others start to rebuild their worlds.. i just want to give all those doubters of that religion hope and help now that i have gone full circle- hence my user name.

there is lots to say, but i will join in and you will get to know me.. for anyone that is in turmoil with worry over whether to leave or not, i can empathise, but it will be the best decision you ever make!.

dgp

Welcome, Julie, from a worldly man.

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Are Jehovah's Witness men good catches?

by garyneal in

i've stated this before on this message board but i was kind of curious about this and wanted to get some feedback from the group.

in particular, the ladies who are either current or former jw's.. about a year or so ago, my wife went with me to a church i was attending at the time.

we then later that morning attended a kh meeting.

dgp

And, Greenie, I would add that no one forced the woman to marry Gary. What's more, Gary didn't know what he was getting into, while she did. If she's not happy, she can leave him. Otherwise, won't she please accept headship.

Yes, it hurts to hear that you're below their level.

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Are Jehovah's Witness men good catches?

by garyneal in

i've stated this before on this message board but i was kind of curious about this and wanted to get some feedback from the group.

in particular, the ladies who are either current or former jw's.. about a year or so ago, my wife went with me to a church i was attending at the time.

we then later that morning attended a kh meeting.

dgp

Gary, I am here for her if she should want out. And I am doing my homework, believe me. I already bookmarked your channel on You Tube and a hell, sorry, a "sheol" or "Hades" of resources. I already spent a good sum of money in books and stuff, and, believe me, I have benefitted myself. It will not be easy for anyone to dupe me into anything in the future.

It doesn't seem like she is fading. I do believe that she is sinking down, and she seems to feel that becoming more and more of a witness will help her. She has one of the stress diseases so often associated with JW women, and I know for a fact that she doesn't use that to miss meetings. I even asked one person the question of how I could know whether someone is fading, other than by missing meetings, and this person, a respected member of this forum, could not think of any one specific sign of it. So, at least for all outward appearances, she is not fading. And then, she wanted me to convert to the religion, which I believe means that she is not expecting to leave it any time soon. She may have doubts, but she knows she will be in for a long time. I don't know if it is that she truly, truly believes, or whether she finds she can't go anywhere else.

What I regret the most is the idea that, should she have any, all her doubts will coalesce when she's old. Better late than never, I suppose.

I agree with Keyser Soze. A JW man is suitable for a JW woman, but, from what I read here, not for a different kind of a woman. "Suitable" here does not necessarily refer to his being a good husband, but being a good member of the society. Which is an awful mistake. It's like considering that someone is a good catch because he is a good accountant.