Posts by dgp

besides, she knows i've been doing a great deal of research into the society and could decimate any argument she could put forward that the wtbts is what it says it is, so she doesn't want to go there at all.

dgp

You don't seem like a fool to me, Nickolas.

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Religious Reform

by Maze in

as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

dgp

nor men kept for unnatural purposes

Would anyone please explain who these are?

Timothy, I have a solution for your problem: Have standing sex. That way you won't "lie" with another man.

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Are Witnesses encouraged to talk about their non-JW mates?

by Nickolas in

my wife and i don't discuss the watchtower too much.

i'm atheist, and she knows there's nothing she can say to change that.

besides, she knows i've been doing a great deal of research into the society and could decimate any argument she could put forward that the wtbts is what it says it is, so she doesn't want to go there at all.

dgp

Interesting. I wouldn't know about this, of course.

Nickolas, you do interesting thinking for an anthropoid.

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"...in case of an attack on the buses by Angry Christians..." Atheists sue

by Rabbit in

to me...the following story exemplifies why freedom of speech is so important.

people should be exposed to differing ideas & beliefs for their own good.. my comment is highlighted below, it's funny, sad & i realize...not representative of most christians.

(most, i believe will think about it, but, not act on it) .

dgp

Funny that they don't require church groups to pay the extra money on account of all those "militant atheists" vandalizing busses that carry religious messages.

Atheists don't usually destroy religious messages.

I can understand the bus company. It can well be that they know for sure someone will vandalize the ads, and, while they may personally not care about the campaign, they don't want to cover those expenses. Sometimes, however, you're asked to do things no one else is asked to do because the person wants to refuse to provide the service or good but finds it inconvenient to say so.

I can but remember the joke about God being mysoginistic. A couple of very religious people go to heaven. Both need to take a test to finally make it to everlasting happiness. God asks the man to spell the word "God". "G-O-D". "Go in and partake with me". Then the woman is asked to spell "CZECHOSLOVAKIA".

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What is your standing in a congregation if you're a man of 40 and never married?

by dgp in

on a different thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/211210/3/my-life-well-the-first-part-at-least.

someone commented that.

as a sister especially you are nothing when not attached to you husband.. this made me curious.

dgp

I wonder if some of those Romeos who didn't marry "in the Lord" had or have secret relationships with Juliets they shouldn't be seeing. I am sure more than one had a broken heart over someone he didn't marry because he shouldn't. Or because she wouldn't convert.

As to their being gay, it wouldn't surprise me if some were, but I guess the experience of Catholics with priests and nuns is more than exemplary in this sense. So many men and women became priests and nuns because that was the socially acceptable way to stay unmarried. Throughout history, so many became priests and nuns (yep, that too) because they desperately wanted an education and the Church was their way to get it, and then keep getting it.

I'm sure we all know of men and women who marry to hide their homosexuality. I personally met a couple where both partners were obviously gay and lesbian, but that suited them. Each was free to do whatever they wanted. We who gossiped were surprised about the arrangement always wondered whether it wouldn't have made more sense, and been less of a magnet for criticism and gossip, if they had chosen to stay single instead.

So money does not give a man "spiritual standing", but it sure as hell helps. I should maybe add "obviously, since we are all human". Perhaps money becomes even more important because a Jehovah's witness woman isn't free to say "well, I won't marry any of these guys and will live life on my own terms instead". If she should get on a boat (the metaphorical boat being "the man"), all the best if he offers some "amenities", such as the likelihood that you won't have to work so hard to make ends meet because of the "spiritual" work.

I wonder if it would be possible to be a brother who DOESN'T want the so-called privileges and marries an unbeliever instead. Yep, Mr. Elder, say whatever you want, because this is what I will do. I suppose you need to be on the fringes to make such a decision.

I see it is not as easy for men as it would seem. You have plenty of women to choose from, but then it seems to me that the organization turns most into the equivalent of "very high spiritual maintenance". I don't say this in the sense that they have to spend a lot to dress and groom the sister, but that the male still needs to meet the whims of the organization if he wants to keep her.

Suppose you're a 40 year old and you get a 20-year old virgin who thinks of you not as "daddy" but as "grand-daddy" and couldn't care less about you as a person. She needs you to be spiritual and work hard in the Watchtower, and then provide, and then please not be a pain in the ass, despite the headship. Yeah, the man is with someone much younger, but I can perfectly well envision a situation in which I would rather be with a 40-something worldly woman who would stay with me on the basis of who I am. I can smoke, can curse, can even give her oral sex without any fear that she could report me to the elders. I wouldn't lose her if I were disfellowshipped, reproved, whatever; what's more, that could probably make our relationship even easier.

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What is your standing in a congregation if you're a man of 40 and never married?

by dgp in

on a different thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/211210/3/my-life-well-the-first-part-at-least.

someone commented that.

as a sister especially you are nothing when not attached to you husband.. this made me curious.

dgp

Well, I see that, for men, marital status does not define the man's standing in the congregation. Good point by Lamallcool. I wonder, however, what would happen if Brother Unmarried 26-year-old is at odds with Brother I-was-finally-reinstated-after-my-sleeping-around-and-I-have-a-prosperous-business. In other words, I wonder whether money plays a role. You can be an elder, all right, and you can disfellowship anyone, but you don't make "contributions" like mine. Would you rather not have my contributions, Mr. Elder?

The post by Witness My Fury seems interesting to me. You can be a good man but if you're looked upon as "not spiritual enough" then your chances of finding a girl do suffer. It doesn't seem like it's just a matter of picking your girl. You may have plenty of women, but perhaps not plenty of options.

It seems that if you're a certain age and you don't have a woman, they might perhaps gossip about you, but they will still consider you "undefiled" unless proven otherwise. They will sort of look the other way. As with an old auntie who never married, you "believe" she never did anything sexual, and change the subject.

No Room, if I were you, I wouldn't marry in the Lord.

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What is your standing in a congregation if you're a man of 40 and never married?

by dgp in

on a different thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/211210/3/my-life-well-the-first-part-at-least.

someone commented that.

as a sister especially you are nothing when not attached to you husband.. this made me curious.

dgp

Well, that would be an obvious possibility , but, do people actually believe such a man would still "remain undefiled", or would they just act the part?

I have seen many posts about the subjection of women. But none about the pecking order of men.

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What is your standing in a congregation if you're a man of 40 and never married?

by dgp in

on a different thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/211210/3/my-life-well-the-first-part-at-least.

someone commented that.

as a sister especially you are nothing when not attached to you husband.. this made me curious.

dgp

On a different thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/211210/3/my-life-well-the-first-part-at-least

someone commented that

As a sister especially you are nothing when not attached to you Husband.

This made me curious. What happens if you are an unmarried man? Does your standing depend on whether you're an elder or a ministerial servant? What happens if you get to be 40 and you're single or divorced? And, does anyone really believe that a 35 year old brother, say, never had sex?

Many questions, but I'm just curious .

Thanks.