Posts by darkl1ght3r

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Christians explain? Jews never believed in a Trinity even today so how/when did it start?

by Witness 007 in

jews for thousands of years have believed in their "one god" so i always wondered if in jesus time this was the view, how and when did the trinity start?

did jesus start it off?

are you saying jews were trinitarian?

darkl1ght3r

The Trinity doctrine is not an explicit scriptural teaching, but rather an implicit. Meaning that although it is not specifically taught in scripture, it is an attempt to make sense of all of the various things in scripture that have been said regarding the natures of God and Jesus. But even as far back as the early second century (in the writings of Ignatius) it can be seen that the doctrine was taking form in that the church fathers considered Jesus to be God in human flesh. Folding the Holy Spirit into the mix came a bit later, however. So even before the fomous "Nicean Creed" was formulated in 325, God and Jesus being one was already a widely held idea. I'm no expert but thats what I recall...

But it seems to me that it's sorta like arguing over what color Santa Claus' underpants are.

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Baptised and on this or other apostate sites - DF'ing Offense???

by cognac in

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just wondering if you can be in a jc for being on apostate sites.

i'm not talking about if you clicked on something by mistake.

does it say it in the elders book?.

darkl1ght3r

Mouthy...

You said: "I am considered evil by the WT"

The very fact that you can make that statement, and mean it, shows just how EVIL they are. You are probably the sweetest person on this board. They have just cause to call ME evil (although I still don't buy it lol) as I represent everthing that they stand against (big scary secular humanist), but you represent simply a slightly different (and more coherent, less mind-controlled) view of Christianity.

Just remember that the majority of sane people oon this earth, regardless of philosophical background, would regard them as evil for judging you as such.

Let no one tell you different.

Take care.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-06-09 WT Study (TREASURES)

by blondie in

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comments you will not hear at the 09-06-09 wt study (july 15, 2009, pages 3-7)(treasures jesus).

review comments will be in red or headed by comments.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

darkl1ght3r

Yes thank you for the posts Blondie, and I hope all is well with you.

Oh yes, I also meant to say that I found the picture interesting of the brother studying. Caption: "The Bible is like a treasure map guiding us to the riches "carefully concealed" in Christ." If the Bible is the treasure map, why does the dude have like 5 other books out that he's reading? Is the treasure map that confusing? Does he need a treasure map to the treasure map?

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Documentary About The Flood and Noah's Ark

by Blue Grass in

about a week or two ago i watched a documentary about the flood in noah's day entitled "in search of noah's ark".

two things i found very interesting in this program is a theory that one person had about how they believed the flood was caused due to a meteor hitting the ocean creating a tsunami that flooded the entire earth.

scientist were unanimous in their view that this is a very plausible scenario and that there is no way to rule this possibility out.

darkl1ght3r

Ah yes... and then there's the other famous creationist tactic of running and hiding from a thread when one knows his ass has been handed to him.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-06-09 WT Study (TREASURES)

by blondie in

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comments you will not hear at the 09-06-09 wt study (july 15, 2009, pages 3-7)(treasures jesus).

review comments will be in red or headed by comments.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

darkl1ght3r

Para. 2 - "And with the treasures of God given wisdom, knoweledge, and discernment, we will be able to deal successfully with problems and issues in our daily life."

What this really says to the average JW is, "If you're unhappy, you're not doing it right. You are failing. There is something wrong with you." No wonder so many of them are self-conscious wrecks on anti-depressants.

Para. 6 - "Worldly philosophy, including secular humanism and the theory of evolution, shapes peoples thinking morals and lifestyle."

Yes... thanks to secular humanism (and utilitarianism), I now care MORE about my life choices, and I'm genuinely interested in the welfare of my fellow humans instead of how much "time" I can wring out of them. In short... I am now more moral than I was when I was a JW. But I'll admit that my standard of morality is arbitrary, much as theirs is. If they judge me as deficiant by their standards, that's fine. They are deficiant by mine. The difference is, my morality is based on observation, reason, and empathy. They are only moral becasue their Big Book of Multiple Choice tells them to be.

To the WT I ask: Why be good when you can just be forgiven?

And evolution is not a "philosophy". It's science. Do you know anyone who bases their morals and lifestyle on the theory of gravitation? Or how about string theory? Or the theory of relativity? Or quantum theory? Science is amoral. It simply is.

Para. 14 - "Throughout the Bible, sheep played a notable role in the remission of sin and approach to God."

A "notable" role? Yeah, if you consider getting your throat slit and your entrails strung out and burnt because the anthropomorphic nostrils of Jehovah loved the smell, "notable". Sheep were "notable" for the fact that Jehovah seemed to sadistically enjoy seeing thousands upon thousands of them slaughtered senselessly, for no reason other than because he wanted it that way. Sick. I mean... I'm no PETA whackjob, but come on.

Wow... I tried to read the whole article but it's so mind-numbingly dry and meaningless. Ugh... I'm so glad I don't have to sit through that crap for an hour on sunday anymore.

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Documentary About The Flood and Noah's Ark

by Blue Grass in

about a week or two ago i watched a documentary about the flood in noah's day entitled "in search of noah's ark".

two things i found very interesting in this program is a theory that one person had about how they believed the flood was caused due to a meteor hitting the ocean creating a tsunami that flooded the entire earth.

scientist were unanimous in their view that this is a very plausible scenario and that there is no way to rule this possibility out.

darkl1ght3r

villabolo - True true... that's the famous creationist tactic of arbitrarily changing the rules in the past because the rules in the present won't allow their crazy theories.

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Were You Always Feeling Guilty As A Witness?

by minimus in

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i think the religion works on guilt.

everyone is made to feel they're not good enough some how or perhaps they practice a "secret sin" and it gnaws at them.

so they decide to pioneer or "do more", recognizing they can never really make up for whatever shortcomings they have.. were you a guilt ridden jw?

darkl1ght3r

Yep, as a witness, I always felt weighed down, down trodden. Like I wasn't good enough. I'm fine now. :)

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Documentary About The Flood and Noah's Ark

by Blue Grass in

about a week or two ago i watched a documentary about the flood in noah's day entitled "in search of noah's ark".

two things i found very interesting in this program is a theory that one person had about how they believed the flood was caused due to a meteor hitting the ocean creating a tsunami that flooded the entire earth.

scientist were unanimous in their view that this is a very plausible scenario and that there is no way to rule this possibility out.

darkl1ght3r

Billy... zOMG! Are those actual photos? Wow... I was completely wrong. I wonder if even Perry is aware of this evidence. That's even more convincing than his dino artifacts. Praise Jaws.

Singing: "Jesus loves the little diiiiinos. All the dinos of the wooooorrrld."

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Documentary About The Flood and Noah's Ark

by Blue Grass in

about a week or two ago i watched a documentary about the flood in noah's day entitled "in search of noah's ark".

two things i found very interesting in this program is a theory that one person had about how they believed the flood was caused due to a meteor hitting the ocean creating a tsunami that flooded the entire earth.

scientist were unanimous in their view that this is a very plausible scenario and that there is no way to rule this possibility out.

darkl1ght3r

Billy and villalobo,

I'm fairly certain that the work to evaluate the validity of the "kinds" theory has been done. I know I've read it somewhere. Anyway, like Billy said, for the ark thing to work and then for us to end up with the biodiversity we see today would take like extreme-hyper-warp-speed evolution of the kind that even the most hard-core evolutionist wouldn't advocate.

But also the creationists have no definition of what a "kind" is. Is a "kind" a group that share reproductive capability? No that doesn't work... because there are lots of animals species that should be of the same "kind" yet they can bear no offspring (this is due to genetic drift, reproductive isolation, and leads to "speciation", which has been observed, look it up).

Also consider... where does archaeopteryx go? Is it a bird "kind" or is it a reptile "kind"? What about velociraptor? It's only slightly more dinosaur-like than archaeopteryx. Sinornithosaurus? Meilong? And what about Tiktaalik? Ichthyosaur? And what about all the synapsids (mammel-like-reptiles)? Ophiacodon, Dimetrodon, and Thrinaxodon.

Simply stated... the actual scientists no longer think those last few are EITHER reptiles or mammels, because they share so many common features of both. Which is kinda why they had to give them their own class. This is exactly a prediction of evolution: that the fossil record should show no clear distinction between the various recognized groups of phylum. In fact there have been so many "in-between" forms found that biologists had to completely redesign their classification system. This has given rise to "cladistics". There are no gaps anymore. Or at least none that would give cause to doubt the fact that evolution occurs.

And that brings up an interesting question: Perry... why, if after everything God created was deemed "good", did he proceed to destroy 99% of all species that have lived on the earth? 99% of all the variety he supposedly created? Isn't that a waste???? Sounds like poor design to me. This is a mystery to creationists... but it's a PREDICTION of evolution.

PERRY, PLEASE RESPOND TO THE ISSUES I RAISED IN THIS POST. Since you seem to have a tendency to duck my questions.

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Documentary About The Flood and Noah's Ark

by Blue Grass in

about a week or two ago i watched a documentary about the flood in noah's day entitled "in search of noah's ark".

two things i found very interesting in this program is a theory that one person had about how they believed the flood was caused due to a meteor hitting the ocean creating a tsunami that flooded the entire earth.

scientist were unanimous in their view that this is a very plausible scenario and that there is no way to rule this possibility out.

darkl1ght3r

Oh yes, and about your "ancient dino pictures", those have been proven to be a hoax. And the few that arn't hoaxes are so ambiguous that the animals could be almost anything (like the pic you posted). Basically a few smart naitive peoples figured out that stupid fundamentalist tourists would buy folksy trinkets with pictures of dinos on them.

For example... from the Wikipedia entry on your "Ica Stones":

"The stones are reported to have been found in caves and stream beds. Because they are rocks and contain no organic material, Carbon-14 dating cannot be used. No other method of radiometric dating has been applied to the stones. Because the supposed locations of their alleged discovery have not been disclosed, it is impossible to estimate their age based on nearby geological strata. Furthermore, even a confirmation of the rocks' age would not prove that the engravings upon them had not been produced at a later date.

Neil Steede, an archaeologist who was investigating the Ica stones for The Mysterious Origins of Man (a film which attempted to make the case that humans had existed far earlier than previously thought), said that he found no patina on the engravings but that the rocks themselves showed patina, suggesting that the engravings are indeed younger than the rocks. [citation needed]

In 1998, Spanish investigator Vicente Paris declared after four years of investigation that the evidence indicates that the stones are a hoax. Among the proofs presented by this investigator were microphotographs of the stones that showed traces of modern paints and abrasives. The strongest evidence of fraud as claimed is the crispness of the shallow engravings; stones of great age should have substantial erosion of the surfaces. [3]"

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Ohhhh.... burn. Creationists arn't doing so well lately...