Chalam: LOL, a beheading! I knew I forgot to include something in the party.
jamiebowers: Thank you so much for the offer! That's really sweet of you. :) We're waaaay down in Florida though.
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Me and my JW friend's first brithday experience
by JerkhovahsWitless inmy friend's brithday was a few months ago.
due to some things that were going on at the time, he wasn't able to sneak out with me and celebrate it like i wanted to do with him.
it was delayed until tonight where we finally celebrated it.. i don't know how birthdays are suppose to be celebrated, especially when its just a 2 person party, but i tried my best.
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Would you study the Bible with these people??
by kurtbethel init's free!.
there is something disturbing about this.
can not put my finger on it though.
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Well, they got it right associating Bible stories with children's medieval fairy tales.
I wouldn't think that's the best theme to go with if you're a Christian group trying to get others to take Bible stories serious... and if the castle, princess and Bible story castle motiff doesn't make someone think fairy tales, perhaps the Dark Ages would come to mind instead?
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Question about private reproof and weddings
by JerkhovahsWitless ini've posted before about someone i'm friends with who was going to go to the elders with his girlfriend about some things they've been doing.
well, they got young and very liberal elders who weren't by the book.
the experience didn't end up being quite as bad as i prepared him for and they both only got private reproof.
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JWoods: Just a thought - is he absolutely sure that she is really a die-hard JW? Maybe she entertains thoughts about getting out of it too?
He's pretty sure. Her entire family is that way to the point that the way he describes them makes them sound insane. Everything is perfect, happy and wonderful in Watchtower World. Its a reason why he hasn't attempted to expose too much about the cult to her because any mention that isn't praising the WT, turns his GF into cult GF.
OnTheWayOut: Thank you for more details on what might happen. So it sounds like as long as their privileges are back before the wedding there shouldn't be a problem unless some jerk of an elder is the one marrying the kids. (The wedding is towards the end of this year, but not quite 6 months away. I should have said 4th quarter 2010). I want to reply more to your response, but I keep backspacing it away. I don't want to give out too many details or talk about his private information too much.
MadSweeney: May we ask what approximate age we're talking about?
One is under 21. The other is right around 21.
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Me and my JW friend's first brithday experience
by JerkhovahsWitless inmy friend's brithday was a few months ago.
due to some things that were going on at the time, he wasn't able to sneak out with me and celebrate it like i wanted to do with him.
it was delayed until tonight where we finally celebrated it.. i don't know how birthdays are suppose to be celebrated, especially when its just a 2 person party, but i tried my best.
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Morbidzbaby: so we're doing something special (a haunted trolley ghost and graveyard tour!).
That sounds awesome! I've wanted to do something like that for such a long time. I'm actually planning in a couple months to take him a few hours away for the weekend to a well-known "haunted" city. The plan is to stay at an Inn downtown and one day do the tourist attractions, which includes ghost tours. The next day will be spent at the beach and nights will be spent downtown within walking distance to the Inn. Another trip planned for this year is to camp at a state park located at a beach. He's had a crappy year so far and its only going to get worse in the next few months, so I'm hoping these trips will help take his mind off of things.
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Me and my JW friend's first brithday experience
by JerkhovahsWitless inmy friend's brithday was a few months ago.
due to some things that were going on at the time, he wasn't able to sneak out with me and celebrate it like i wanted to do with him.
it was delayed until tonight where we finally celebrated it.. i don't know how birthdays are suppose to be celebrated, especially when its just a 2 person party, but i tried my best.
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Thanks mrsjones. The majority of his family aren't JWs. I'm hoping maybe next year he'll have let them known about JWs and his point of view. Then I could work with them so he could have a real party surrounded with people that love him instead of just one.
jamiebowers: You did a great thing! I hope he returns the favor when your birthday rolls around! Do you live close to any exjws or know any"worldly" people where you and your friend can go to celebrate Christmas?
We don't really know any exjws or a group of them. Only his parents and siblings are JWs. The rest of his family (grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, nephews, etc) are not, so he could have a some what normal Christmas without parents and siblings. I don't think he'll be ready this year to let his non-JW family know he wants to celebrate Christmas, so it'll probably just be us doing a gift exchange and hanging out. I hope by next year he tells his non-JW family. I know it would make his grandparents so happy to finally share Christmas with one of their grandsons for the very first time in their lives.
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Question about private reproof and weddings
by JerkhovahsWitless ini've posted before about someone i'm friends with who was going to go to the elders with his girlfriend about some things they've been doing.
well, they got young and very liberal elders who weren't by the book.
the experience didn't end up being quite as bad as i prepared him for and they both only got private reproof.
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jamiebowers: Have your friend read some of SD-7's posts to see how horribly it turns out if you marry a jw first and leave the cullt second. He needs to dump her now, because the longer he waits, the more it's going to hurt her.
I actually have shown him a few of SD-7's posts and paraphrased others to him. I've also told him the exact thing you've said, that the longer he waits the more she's going to get hurt. I don't know what to do, even if there is something I can do to help to get him going. She is a nice girl. I feel really bad for her.
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Question about private reproof and weddings
by JerkhovahsWitless ini've posted before about someone i'm friends with who was going to go to the elders with his girlfriend about some things they've been doing.
well, they got young and very liberal elders who weren't by the book.
the experience didn't end up being quite as bad as i prepared him for and they both only got private reproof.
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Thanks for the information. I'll pass it along to him.
I never had any position in the cult, but did say, do things and treat friends stupidly because of the cult, so I kind of understand how you feel about the stupid crap you had to enforce. I lost connection with one good child hood friend when I became "spiritual" and he wasn't. :\ Congratulations on being out for 3 years. I'm still technically in until I can move and fade. I'm looking forward to the day.
It'd be a fairy tale ending for my friend if his girlfriend wanted out of the cult, but... Her family is JW bat sh*t and have indoctrinated her well. She has no doubts (or I should say burries them because I think every JW has doubts) and doesn't approve of any "negative" talk about the cult. She gets mad at her boyfriend's negative JW talk, which is pretty much every time he brings up something JW related. He'd like to bring up not beliving to her or try to expose some WT history to her, but she would blow up and it may blow his ability to fade after he finishes college and moves.
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Me and my JW friend's first brithday experience
by JerkhovahsWitless inmy friend's brithday was a few months ago.
due to some things that were going on at the time, he wasn't able to sneak out with me and celebrate it like i wanted to do with him.
it was delayed until tonight where we finally celebrated it.. i don't know how birthdays are suppose to be celebrated, especially when its just a 2 person party, but i tried my best.
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My friend's brithday was a few months ago. Due to some things that were going on at the time, he wasn't able to sneak out with me and celebrate it like I wanted to do with him. It was delayed until tonight where we finally celebrated it.
I don't know how birthdays are suppose to be celebrated, especially when its just a 2 person party, but I tried my best. We couldn't do it in public out of fear that some JW would see us. So, he met me at my office where I was the only person there. We had pizza, beer and I gave him a pagan birthday card and gift. The gift was a custom gift card that had a photo I took of a fun memory we had 4-5 years ago. I had this quote from Caral Sagan on it " ...It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. "
We did the cake outside because I work for a JW and there's cameras inside the office. Murphy's Law would have made sure that tonight my boss gets robbed and reviews the security tape, so we did the obvious birthday cake part outside. Outside he had his cake with candles that were in the shape of his age and sparklers. I made him wear a stupid looking party hat and took his picture.
He enjoyed it and I enjoyed getting to do it for him. I'm not sure if that's "the way" to properly celebrate a brithday or if it sounds totally lame as far as brithdays go, but it was a nice time. Now to plan what to do for Christmas...
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Question about private reproof and weddings
by JerkhovahsWitless ini've posted before about someone i'm friends with who was going to go to the elders with his girlfriend about some things they've been doing.
well, they got young and very liberal elders who weren't by the book.
the experience didn't end up being quite as bad as i prepared him for and they both only got private reproof.
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I've posted before about someone I'm friends with who was going to go to the elders with his girlfriend about some things they've been doing. Well, they got young and very liberal elders who weren't by the book. The experience didn't end up being quite as bad as I prepared him for and they both only got private reproof. (I think all of the advice I gave him that came from you good people helped him manipulate the elders into thinking he was really sorry)
The history to this story is they've been together for a couple years now. He's realized maybe in the last 6 months its a cult and wants out. He knows he has to breakup with his gf, but he's in love with her and so its hard to do. He's been finding reasons to delay breaking up (delayed the elder meeting for 6 months) and now that they aren't DF'ed like he thought was going to happen, he has another reason to delay breaking up until the end of this year. The reason is a friend's wedding they're suppose to be in.
My question is, since they both have been privately reproved, are they even going to be allowed in this wedding? The wedding will not be in the Kingdumb Hell. I know if it was in the Hall, they would not be allowed in it, but I don't know about outside of the Hall.
This wedding isn't the real reason why he's delaying longer, just a justification, but if possible, I'd like to be able to show him this isn't a good reason to delay because of some controling JW wedding rule that'll prevent them from being in the wedding. Does that rule exist?
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Has anyone ever ask a householder to keep their Bible study secret from their spouse?
by wasblind ini was told of one incident, where a pioneer said that she had trouble with one householders husband, because he was hiding the literature and did not want his wife to study with the jw's so she incouraged the householder to study in secrecy.. .
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Well, this isn't a story about a spouse, but about a kid.
I studied with my neighbor's kid. We were both minors, me being over 2 years older.His parents were against him studying, so him and I did it at my house without them knowing. I checked with the elders first to see if that was OK since the parents didn't want him to study. I got the answer blondie posted. My parents, however, wouldn't to sneak him to meetings or even the memorial like he was willing to do. My parents were afraid of legal issues, getting sued or pissing the neighbor's off (both of them are in Law Enforcement).
Eventually the study stopped and about two years later resumed again. He was still a minor, but months away from being 18. I was an adult. We studied again in secret for a while, but shortly he came out of the JW closet and we studied at his house and he went to meetings. His family was OK with it then for the most part. Well, they allowed it, but didn't refrain from making fun of him for it... which just proved the persecution / Satan is after me complex I instilled in him.
Fortunately, about a year passed and he ended up dumping the cult (leaving me devastated because he was also my best friend). The constant struggle to put on the cult personality clashed with his authentic self too much. He was mentally and emotionally tormented with fear of demons, armageddon, his family dying and the guilt of feeling that he wasn't living up to the cult's standards, that he just couldn't take it anymore. 6-7 years have gone by since then. A few months ago I got to apologize to him for trying to recruit him into a cult. We've keep in contact on the internet for a while and should be meeting up in person sometime soon.