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  Just talked to Witnesses at my door for Hour about Watchtower Child Abuse

  by flipper in

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  it happened again like in july when i talked to an elder and his wife about child abuse, but this time i got a hold of rank and file members who fortunately i was able to play like a fiddle as they had no idea what they were up against here.

  so brother middle age ex-hippie convert ( as he told me later ) and sister middle age hair in a bun offered me the awake on death or our view of death.

  i graciously accepted gaining their trust saying yes, i had close loved ones who had died over the years but didn't know if i believed in a resurrection or hereafter.

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  The GB are nothing if not cautious businessmen - or with cautious attorneys behind them.

  " ... financially implode ... " is most unlikely: With all the cash generation over the last decade I would expect them to have already provisioned a billion or two cash contingency to pay for this. Already written off in normal balance sheet terms.

  Since their accounts are buried in secrecy this can only be speculation, but it is just wishful thinking to expect this to be a surprise to them or to break the bank!

  Cliff
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  To Blue Dot or Not to Blue Dot. That is the question ....

  by Oubliette in

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  so i've been noticing recently that some khs in the area where i live (socal) are putting up the jw.org little blue dot, but others are not.

  i would think this would be a mandatory directive from hq.

  does anyone here have any intel on the matter?.

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  "... it is quite funny that they are so exact about the colour of the sign ... "

  Actually, there is nothing unusual in that - quite normal in the world of printing / advertising.

  For a real eye-opener, see the detailed specification of the coca-cola logo.

  
  
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  'Trusted' Jehovah’s Witness ‘raped and sexually abused girls’

  by cliff in

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  2. child-abuse

  'trusted' jehovahs witness raped and sexually abused girls.

  court: barry furlong arrives at bournemouth crown court.

  first published tuesday 9 december 2014 in news by jane reader.

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  He gets 5 years ...

  http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11682357.UPDATE__Jehovah_s_Witness_jailed_for_five_years_for_indecently_assaulting_young_girls/?ref=mr
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  At what point in embryonic development does the soul develop?

  by cantleave in

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  2. beliefs

  i was reading about some amazing developments in our understanding and manipulation of pluripotent stem cells, for those interested i will post the link below.. whilst i was reading it a question came to me - do believers think that these cells contain a "soul"?

  when does the soul enter the the biological entity?

  is it at the time of gamete production?

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  cliff

  Which of course gives rise to all sorts of dilemmas and nonsense about abortion (what happens to the created souls when the foetus auto-aborts, for example?), "limbo" etc.
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  'Trusted' Jehovah’s Witness ‘raped and sexually abused girls’

  by cliff in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'trusted' jehovahs witness raped and sexually abused girls.

  court: barry furlong arrives at bournemouth crown court.

  first published tuesday 9 december 2014 in news by jane reader.

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  cliff

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  'Trusted' Jehovah’s Witness ‘raped and sexually abused girls’

  by cliff in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'trusted' jehovahs witness raped and sexually abused girls.

  court: barry furlong arrives at bournemouth crown court.

  first published tuesday 9 december 2014 in news by jane reader.

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  'Trusted' Jehovah’s Witness ‘raped and sexually abused girls’

  

  COURT: Barry Furlong arrives at Bournemouth Crown Court

  First published Tuesday 9 December 2014 in News by Jane Reader

  A TRUSTED senior figure in Bournemouth Jehovah’s Witness community raped and sexually abused children over a period of nearly 17 years, a court heard yesterday.

  Barry Furlong, a former fireman, attacked four girls – the youngest aged just five – who didn’t report what had happened to them for many years because they feared they would not be believed, Bournemouth Crown Court was told.

  Now 69-year-old, Furlong, of Keeble Crescent, Kinson, is accused of four charges of rape, four of indecent assault and six of indecency with a child, alleged to have been committed between December 1979 and November 1996.

  He denies all of the charges.

  Opening the case for the prosecution, Mark Worsley said Furlong, a father-of-two, held a top position as Ministerial Servant at the time of the offences.

  A jury of six men and six women was told: “The allegations take place in the context of the Jehovah’s Witness congregation in Kinson at the time in Bournemouth.

  “When a person gets to that level, the abused children found it impossible at the time to disclose what had happened to them.

  “Why would anyone believe what they had to say against the word of a trusted man like Barry Furlong?”

  Mr Worsley stressed it was not a trial about Jehovah’s Witnesses but “a trial about a number of children within that context”.

  The jury was told that it would hear from one victim who claims that she was 10 years old when she was sexually assaulted.

  Mr Worsley said: “He told her not to tell anyone else or she would not get into the New Order, a term for a kind of heaven. She didn’t tell anyone because the defendant had told her not to.”

  Speaking of the alleged victim of the offences of rape, Mr Worsley added: “He was a pillar of the community – who would believe her? She also felt ashamed that this was happening to her. She knew what he was doing was not right.”

  The trial continues.

  http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11655591._Trusted__Jehovah___s_Witness____raped_and_sexually_abused_girls___/
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  I teachers sex abuse in I school costs 139 million settlement. LA Times

  by prologos in

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  2. child-abuse

  the high cost of institutional negligence in protecting children: 139 000 000.- for one offender.. google la times miramonte school --.. .

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  Just the title line, Talesin. It implies more than one teacher!
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  See? It's all in the mind!

  by cliff in

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  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29939672.

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  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29939672
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  Pope says Big bang and Evolution are correct !

  by Phizzy in

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  2. bible

  from the u.k independent newspaper :.

  " the theories of evolution and the big bang are real and god is not a magician with a magic wand, pope francis has declared.. speaking at the pontifical academy of sciences, the pope made comments which experts said put an end to the pseudo theories of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, benedict xvi.. francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator arguing instead that they require it.. when we read about creation in genesis, we run the risk of imagining god was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything.

  but that is not so, francis said.. he added: he created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment.. the big bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it.. evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.. the catholic church has long had a reputation for being anti-science most famously when galileo faced the inquisition and was forced to retract his heretic theory that the earth revolved around the sun.. but pope franciss comments were more in keeping with the progressive work of pope pius xii, who opened the door to the idea of evolution and actively welcomed the big bang theory.

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  cliff

  To be fair, he only claims infallibility when wearing the "I am now infallible" hat.
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  Evidence Regarding the Evolution of Cetaceans - Whales etc

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  this excellent little video sumamrises some of the evidence for the evolutionary history of cetaceans.. if focuses on comparative anatomy, embryology, fossils and dna.. .... .

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  cliff

  " Promoting the art of critical thinking by exposing people to the simple beauty of science.

  We create short animations using neutral language."

  Is their mission statement. The "Donations" tab on their website invites support for this.

  Maybe you see something I missed? Explain please