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  Scottish independance in two days what do you think?

  by barry in

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  one thing i would like to say is will the union jack be changed because the scottish flag is incorpreted in it.

  if the union jack is changed will we change our australian flag because the union jack is in our flag?

  even hawawi has the union jack also fiji and many other commonwealth countries.. .

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  Excellent links, Besty!

  The breakdown of votes / age is particularly telling.
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  Princess Diana's death.

  by quellycatface in

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  what are your thoughts?

  accident or assassination?.

  i still get upset over this.

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  You have obvously never driven in Paris ...
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  JW Mission = Find all checker floors in WT publications

  by bytheirworks in

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  your mission... should you choose to accept it, will be to find all checker floors in the watchtower publications, especially those involving worship.. .

  if you can upload them here, great.

  i don't know to upload a pic from my computer on this site.

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  My artist daughter said instantly:

  It is a well known "trick" of illustrators everywhere! All those lines on the floor give a strong perspective. They all go to the vanishing points in or off the picture. This makes for a strong contrast between the solid architectural lines and the soft human form and clothing.

  Drama is added to the image. That's all!

  Cliff
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  Was Hitler atheist?

  by zound in

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  i've heard that hitler did what he did in the name of atheism from various theists - or at least that he was an atheist.

  i wasn't sure about it, but found this quote today.

  thoughts?.

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  The starting point has to be that Hitler was an insane meglomaniac.

  It is difficult to apply normal rules on that basis. He certainly believed in his own brand of woo - fate, folklore, symbolism, legend and destiny.
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  Is my clinging on to a belief in a Creator doing me any harm?

  by KateWild in

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  i use the word clinging, as i feel that is what i am doing.

  as far as my knowledge of science, namely chemistry is concerned, i am satisfied there is evidence of a creator.

  i am happy to believe this.

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  Judaism is an inseperable mixture of culture AND religion.
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  Is my clinging on to a belief in a Creator doing me any harm?

  by KateWild in

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  i use the word clinging, as i feel that is what i am doing.

  as far as my knowledge of science, namely chemistry is concerned, i am satisfied there is evidence of a creator.

  i am happy to believe this.

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  Take it slow, as others have said. There is danger in rushing to discover anything.

  One sign of wisdom is the ability to understand (but not necessarily believe!) opposing points of view symultaneously. Experienced debaters can do this. At school we were practised in the ability to be able to switch sides in the debate on (teacher's buzzer) command! Many laughs there .....a quick "on the other hand ...." in mid sentence then off at 180degrees!

  You may find that it is OK to carry on in your belief, but to re-examine it, a little at a time, when you find it conflicting with evidence that you see around you. Your interest in science and evolution may provide opportunity for this. Just avoid the word "proof" for a while.

  Cliff
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  There Was No First Human

  by cofty in

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  this excellent 4 minute video will help to clear up a few common misunderstandings regarding evolution.. ....

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  @Kate

  "He makes sweeping generalisations like calling people "uneducated church goers"

  Shame on you, Madam, i thought you were better educated than that!

  Some church-goers ARE uneducated - many in fact. Nowhere is he saying all (anything) are UCGs!, so no sweeping generalisations!

  Are you feeling personally attacked by the phrase? You seem to have it in for RD, from what I have read from you over recent months.

  Cliff
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  Let's tally up, what has the WTS sold and how much money did they receive?

  by skeeter1 in

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  the wts is begging poor relatives of mine for money, more money, and more money.

  but, the wts has to be awash in money!.

  1. does anyone know what the wts has sold?

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  People,

  unless there is access to balance sheets (accounts) showing the income v expenditure for the myriad of corporations, bethels, print works around the whole globe, this is all total fluff and speculative fantasy.

  A waste of time, in fact.

  Cliff
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  Shark Evolution

  by metatron in

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  http://descrier.co.uk/science/fossil-discovery-shows-model-evolution-sharks/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=fossil-discovery-shows-model-evolution-sharks.

  i used to consider sharks to be evidence for creation - and against evolution because it was stated that they are largely unchanged after millions of years ( hence, 'what evolution?')..

  that's not the case, however.

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  ... and it would appear that Frankie has some serious issues to deal with!
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  Shark Evolution

  by metatron in

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  http://descrier.co.uk/science/fossil-discovery-shows-model-evolution-sharks/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=fossil-discovery-shows-model-evolution-sharks.

  i used to consider sharks to be evidence for creation - and against evolution because it was stated that they are largely unchanged after millions of years ( hence, 'what evolution?')..

  that's not the case, however.

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  " fundamnetalist evolutionists"

  I think that is what is called an oxymoron. Those two words do not go together!