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  Look at the fingers on your right hand...

  by changeling in

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  look at the difference in height between your index and ring fingers, palm facing towards you:.

  a) they are pretty much the same height.

  b) the index finger is taller.

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  Interesting Changeling lol

  I am a (b) but never noticed until you mentioned it.

  I suck at Math and mechanics and am not musical either. My Mom was a trained opera singer and a music teacher, go figure.
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  John Travolta...

  by Snoozy in

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  he is 56 and his wife is 47..they are expecting a baby!.

  can you imagine..he will be older than me when his kid graduates hs... and she will be in her middle to late 60's... makes me feel young again.... .

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  It is their lives and they are privileged enough to be able to afford the best in medical care and nannies etc.

  Personally I would not want a baby or the responsibility at that age but I was a normal ordinary person and not rich. I had 4 children in 6 years, that did it for me, NO more babies. lol

  I think it is nice for them as it must have been awful losing their son. I wish them all the best and good health to the baby. At least they aren't having twins or triplets like all the other movie stars lately
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  I just downloaded CofC and ISOCF

  by Steve_C in

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  although i was born into this religion/cult in 1963 and didn't leave until a few years ago, i just now ordered crisis of conscience and in search of christian freedom from commentary press.

  i'm very much looking forward to reading these.. even though ray franz is gone, his important work continues.

  i hope many more people can find out the truthtm about the wts..

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  I am rereading Crisis of Conscience, started it again the day Ray died.
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  Have your views on gays changed over the years?

  by laverite in

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  some questions....feel free to answer any or all of these.

  have your views of gay people changed over the years?

  do you have or have you ever had gay friends?

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  I grew up a JW and my MOM was a devoted subject to the WTBTS, fanatic in fact. She pounded into my head that Homosexuality was a horrible thing. She acted like these people had some dreadful untouchable leprosy. Jehovah hates this she told me.

  I did think for myself on this subject often when I observed for myself. I could not understand how she could be right. From 12 years old I dismissed this idea as a bunch of old wives tales or whatever. I could see that people don't chose to be gay they are born that way and they deserve to be treated the same as everyone else because they are "God's" creation too.

  Of course My Mom also thought sex was dirty and bad, she hushed that up and acted like a person had germs if they were having sex. I remember helping her clean a motel room once (she was a special pioneer and had to clean for a living) and she shoed me out of the room when she changed the bed sheets because newlyweds had slept there the night before. heehee she acted like I would catch sex germs or something. I was 16 for heaven's sakes. She & my Elder Dad would not let me have a boyfriend, that would be so awful because I might have sexual thoughts, and that was the worst bad she said.

  To me it just made me think long and hard about it at night and I thought thats just not logical what she thought. God if there is one has made me feel this way, made me desire sex and want to think on it and feel it so what could be wrong about it. Why would he make people this way and then say NO NO, its bad. I put this in the same category as being Gay, they just naturally feel the way they do except its just for the same sex. I dismissed the idea of sex being bad or gay being bad before I even left the JW religion.

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  I can't believe the audacity of these people

  by Mythbuster in

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  i almost typed religion instead of people.

  anyway, i'm glad i found this site before i made a huge mistake.. *** text for friday, may 21, 2010 ***.

  friday, may 21. .

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  OMG they are such hypocrites, they just described themselves with the highlighted sentence. The rank and file have no idea it seems, and eat up the darn spiritual poisoned food so trustingly.
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  Does anyone remebr the "Rooming Work"

  by exwhyzee in

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  when a convention was to be held in your city and it was believed there weren't enough hotel rooms available or at least affordable ones, the witnesses living in that city were asked to go out into the territory and ask people if they had a room or rooms someone attending the convention could use.

  you could report your time doing this as part of your ministry.

  i could never bring myself (14 or 15) to do this....it just seemed too weird for a kid to go to a house and ask the householder for a room but many kids in the hall did this.

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  I forgot all about that horrible time of my life but YES I was a kid when that "work" was around. My Mom and I had to do it in Ottawa Ontario but she was not so uncaring or stupid that she took on offers of rooms in unclean unsafe environments.

  My parents also used the rooming offer when we went too one of the BIG Assemblies in NYC one year in the 1960's. We couldn't afford the hotel rooms there so had to stay at some unbelievers house in their little humble room. I remember my Mom saying shhhhhhhhh over and over and make sure you leave a good witness and be very quiet and good. My goodness I was afraid to flush the toilet. It was very uncomfortable.

  I feel for exwhyzee (spelling) that was just awful, whoever did the rooming work was obviously not caring about their fellow brothers and sisters. I mean really, sending a family with children to a batty old ladies place that was not clean or safe.

  My parents often used the tenting/trailer park offers for assemblies in fields of brothers in the area of the assembly. Not fun since no bathroom facilities or washing up was offered. FUN Fun!!

  It certainly was a experience being a JW no matter what era you experienced it in but some of the times it was downright unacceptable but the WTBTS headquarters didn't give a darn. You had to be a masochist to stick it out with them.

  I remember booking a room throught the rooming dept when they had a BIG international assembly in Montreal in 1978. I had an unbelieving husband, 2 little toddlers and pregnant. My Mom a diehard witness had a disassociated husband and wanted to come with me to help (not). She said we HAVE to use the rooming dept, it would be Wrong to book a hotel without using them. I had another witness lady friend with a unbelieving husband that wanted to come with us with her 2 little children and a single girl from our congregation. We were going to take the train into downtown Montreal. Well the rooming dept was very cold when I called them and not at all caring. I said I had little children and was pregnant and that my friend had a baby and no car so needed something near the subway at least. Sorry they said you take what we give you and they sent me a letter later. Had to wait. They gave us a room at a motel out by the Airport (maybe 10 miles away) which had no transportation to the downtown location of the assembly. My Mom said no don't complain Jehovah knows what is best. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I went along with it. What a expensive and difficult time that was. No one could drive but me , I was heavily pregnant with two children under 3. We had to rent a car when we got off the train and fight traffic and pay for parking everyday of that assembly. Anyway all I can remember is the shock that they were so UNCARING on the phone at the rooming dept and said they could not take into consideration my plight, even though I booked early.
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  Randall Watters: My Return to Christianity: The Early Years (part 3)

  by Dogpatch in

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  okay gang, warning!.

  this is going to sound real new-christian preachy to some of you, but hey, this was 1982ish, so don't come down too hard on me.

  i just tend to put all i got into my work, but i've mellowed out (called "getting older").. i am not a fan of churches or institutions personally; more of a loner.

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  Hi Randy

  I read your story on your website awhile back but I am glad you posted it here as it reminded me again of the Reason why the WTBTS is not the Truth.

  I think your story and others like it has probably helped a lot of people to realize what a bunch of charletons that the whole Cult is. You, Ray and others exposing what went on behind the door with the Governing Body.

  Thank you Randy!! Your story did it for me a few years back, I was shocked when I read what you said and then decided to read Crisis of Conscience, then I was totally convinced and freed from the fear finally.

  My poor Dad gave most of his life to the JW's full time pioneer, elder, special pioneer, gave up a good job and house to serve and got nothing for it but grief. He disassociated in 1974 as he saw through them. He died in 2000 still sad and not knowing if he was wrong or not. I so much wish I had known about this stuff before he died so I could have brought him the good news. He would have seen that he was right to leave. His objections were the things he saw that you saw and Ray saw but so few were coming out yet so he had no back up. My Mom stayed with him and she was totally convinced and brainwashed that they were the TRUTH. So my Dad couldn't go out and explore and see what was going on. He found the internet 2 months before he died.

  I am now reading Crisis of Conscience again just because I wanted to honour Ray and remember his words.

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  Ray Franz has had a stroke

  by coffee_black in

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  just setting the record straight.

  there is another thread that notes a claim on wiki that said that ray has died.. he had a stroke yesterday, and is in the hospital.

  he is still alive.

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  So Sorry to hear this Sad News!
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  This year's memorial invite had no black people on the front cover picture.

  by african GB Member in

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  did anyone notice?.

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  Do you think the WTBTS is prejudice?? I was shocked when my parents showed they were in the 60's

  When I was 13 years old which was more than 40 years ago my JW parents who were full time pioneers took me to a district assembly in Milwaukee Wisconsin. We were visiting my grandparents in Detroit. We usually went to District assemblies in Canada where we lived. At that time it was rare to see black people in Canadian assemblies.

  Anyway we went to a extra District Assembly for "fun" and extra spiritual food. My parents were socializing with others who were spiritually strong and I met a really sweet Black guy who was 16 years old. I sat with him through a session. All I can remember is that he was so sweet, he smelled wonderful and was the most polite person I had ever met. I got to know him for all of 2 hours. I didn't see his colour I saw him as a wonderful person. My parents saw him with me and had a total FIT. I never saw him again. I was not supposed to sit with a boy but a Black boy, no way. I kept saying But but but he is a JW boy. They didn't have a proper explanation other than he wasnt suitable because he was a different culture. I was very very confused as I thought being a JW meant we were all equal. That was when I started to realize the religion was not what my parents preached it to be to me.
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  Are you an active Jw or an ex-jw?

  by XPeterX in

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  active unbaptised publisher here.you?

  (though i already know the answer for some people).

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  I was raised a JW from the age of 3 years old, baptized (unwillingly) at 15 years old. Disfellowshipped at 18 years old. Reinstated at the age of 28 years old.

  I became inactive at the age of 35 years old and have never associated with the "cult" again.

  I have been Disassociated for 25 years. I thought it might be the truth until I found the internet and forums like this 2 1/2 years ago and Crisis of Conscience book.