Posts by simon17

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WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

by AnnOMaly in

out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

"clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

simon17

Is the sleight of hand you are referring to in regard to the fact that the 3rd Babylonian month (Simanu) matches up with May/June of the Julian Calendar.....not July? Therefore a lunar eclipse that occurred on July 15, 588BCE would be irrelevant?

I'm no calender expert but the eclipse occurred on the 15th day of the Babylonian month. That most likely matches to July 4th (correctly I presume?). Then they say an eclipse occurred on the 15th day of the Julian month in the year they want (588). Most will carelessly read: "oh, the eclipse was supposed to occur on the 15th... in 568 it occurred on the 4th but in 588 it occurred on the 15th. Clearly 588 is correct"

If that speculation is true that's really a dishonest way to write that paragraph.

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WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

by AnnOMaly in

out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

"clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

simon17

They could have saved 10 pages of ridiculousness by the ONE sentence they had in Part I:

"So why do Jehovah’s
Witnesses hold to a date that differs
from widely accepted chronology by 20
years? In short, because of evidence within
the Bible itself."

End of story. The answers is: there is NO evidence for 607. But they believe 537 + 70 = 607 and the Bible prophetically said it would be 70.

Why try to twist all the evidence when you've already stated your intetion in paragraph 1 of the whole thing!?!?!

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Awake! November 2011 - correct cover

by processor in

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simon17

sigh....bioflex, don't you realize that by believing in a global flood you already believe in evolution?

Correction, super-accelerated evolution at a speed that is many orders faster than that suggested by ANY scientist in the world.

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Awake! November 2011 - correct cover

by processor in

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simon17

Its funny how the Bible is ALWYAS correct, but it ALWAYS lags behind science.

For centuries, all devout Bible believers knew the Earth was flat. All of a sudden, SCIENCE proves the Earth is round and first Bible believers reject it ,but when the evidence becomes overwhelming they change to: "Well the Bible said that all along."

For centuries, all devout Bible believers knew the Earth was created in 6 literal days (actually BECAUSE of the Bible). All of a sudden, SCIENCE proves the Earth is billions of years old. At first Bible believers reject it, but when the evidence becomes overwhelming, they change to "Well the Bible said that all along."

Probably a few centuries from now, the Bible will "prove" evolution as well.

So don't worry, science and religion always coincide eventually. Eventually religion is forced to accept what science already knows.

Its like prophecy. Bible prophecy is always correct but only after the prophetic act happens can we figure out what it means.

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Awake! November 2011 - correct cover

by processor in

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simon17

Why are you arguing about this. Of course everythign in the Bible is possible because whatever crazy thing happened in there, there's a very simple explanation: "God is all powerful and he did it". Duh. So any impossible impliation (among all the impossible implications from all the impossible stories), just simply say God waved a magic wand and made the impossible possible.

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Would you have left if b-days and blood were okay, and DF-ing was rare?

by respectful_observer in

jw
friends

simon17

Yes, those were all non-issues

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But, isn't it a "Wicked System of Things?"

by PenelopePaige in

i am not a jw but one thing that they really get me on is when they call the outside world a "wicked system of things" and say it is run by the devil.

i know the world can be great and people can be wonderful but on the flip side, the bad seems to be getting worse and morals seem to be flying out the window.

i don't know, what do you guys think?

simon17

Would you say slavery is getting worse from, say, 200 years ago? How about gladiatorial games and the absolute brutality of life in the majority of places for the majority of world history? How about the rights of women? The thing is, you just focus on a few bad things and say, "wow, this is truly horrible" while ignoring all the progress.

Jeff Tweedy of Wilco: "Every generation believes its the worst, believes it's the end of the world"

How true that is...

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Awake! November 2011 - correct cover

by processor in

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simon17

This quote is funny from this:

Regrettably, many of the world’s religions
have added to the confusion by teaching
things that contradict well-established scientific
knowledge. A notable example is the unbiblical
notion that God created the world in
six 24-hour days a few thousand years ago.

The creation of the earth a few thousand years ago WAS a biblical teaching until science said it was nonsensical. Now all of a sudden, its unbiblical.

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Awake! November 2011 - correct cover

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simon17

"The Greatest Show on Earth - The Evidence for Evolution"

How are you liking that? I was a little disappointed. It definitely had some very good portions, but compared to other, more direct books, it had a lot of "if you don't believe in and accept evolution, you're an idiot" type stuff.

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Top 10 JW Beliefs

by OnTheWayOut in

i will post a serious list of the beliefs that make jw's unique.

but i want your thoughts, including anything weird like "beards are evil" or that "smurfs are from the devil.".

the top 10 jw beliefs:.

simon17

You'd have to put something about the requirement of door-to-door preaching work for ALL of the members. Its JW's most distinctive quality.

Believing Jerusalem was destroyed by Babylon in 607 BCE is something literally unique to JWs. No other group in the world believes that.

Their bizarre in between status on creation is also pretty unique. Garden of Eden, Noah = real. Creative days = symbols. The mess of theology and science is so twisted. Probably not deserving of the list but most religions go one way or the other.