Quote from the great Jeff Tweedy of Wilco (forget the song though)
"Every generation believes its the worst;
Believes it's the end of the world..."
Pretty true if you ask me.
simon17
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Is the World really getting worse?
by Nickolas ina fundamental platform of the watchtower bible and tract society, from which its fearsome prognostications are launched, is the inexorable deterioration of the world.
the world is becoming a less and less hospitable place in which to live.
it seems with news of every earthquake, every natural catastrophe, every epidemic, every atrocity, and every disaster manmade or otherwise, there is the inevitable shaking of the finger and stern proclamation, "see?
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Stephen Hawkings is a nutter for believing in a fantasy
by Mad Dawg instephen hawkings from here:.
in the grand design we explain why, according to quantum theory, the cosmos does not have just a single existence, or history, but rather that every possible history of the universe exists simultaneously.
we question the conventional concept of reality, posing instead a "model-dependent" theory of reality.
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simon17
I think it should also be added, that probably MOST of the greatest scientists ever at one point in their life believed a hypothesis that had no existing known evidence. They came up with the hypothesis and started collecting the evidence to show it was a valid, new radical understanding. When Darwin proposed evolution it wasn't a theory at all. It was just a hypothesis. It was only later with Mendel's peas and moths and bones and experiements that it became accepted as a theory.
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Feb. 15 Study WT - More creationism and stupidity - A response
by eric356 inwell, the wt is back on it: "today, there is a rising tide of atheistic and evolutionist propaganda dependent on flawed and baseless reasoning.
we should not let this flood of faulty thinking confuse or intimidate us.
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simon17
Who told you to read Genesis and think AYTHING but story?
If you are willing to concede that much of Genesis is allegory then, sure, I dont think evolution is necessarily at odds with faith in the Bible... And like others have said, it is certainly not at odds with a "God" in general.
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Stephen Hawkings is a nutter for believing in a fantasy
by Mad Dawg instephen hawkings from here:.
in the grand design we explain why, according to quantum theory, the cosmos does not have just a single existence, or history, but rather that every possible history of the universe exists simultaneously.
we question the conventional concept of reality, posing instead a "model-dependent" theory of reality.
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simon17
To be more precise, this is not a theory... its really a hypothesis. Once it is demonstrateable, it would become a real scientific theory.
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WTS: creative days took aeons - WT Feb 15th, 2011
by undercover inthere's already a couple of threads discussing this particular issue of kool-aid version of the wt, but i just had to start another after reading about the creative days mentioned in this issue.. we debate from time to time if the wts has ever officially retracted their doctrine that the earth and all things created are less than 50,000 years old.
there's been some quotes that show them waffling on the age of the planet itself but still sort of holding to the notion of all creation happening within a defineable 7 day period.
how long is a creative day?
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simon17
Well at least this "light" is correct though.... I'll give credit where credit is due.
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Feb. 15 Study WT - More creationism and stupidity - A response
by eric356 inwell, the wt is back on it: "today, there is a rising tide of atheistic and evolutionist propaganda dependent on flawed and baseless reasoning.
we should not let this flood of faulty thinking confuse or intimidate us.
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simon17
The bible says God created the universe, not HOW.
Well it says the order things were created. That order is wrong. Flowering trees, for example, are a very very late arrival onto the scene. Other animals classes are incorrectly ordered.
A global deluge is completely something that would ruin the theory of evolution (and a lot of other views of sciences) if it were true.
It specifically says WOMAN was created from the first MAN by GOD. That clearly would not be true by evolution at all.
There are more, but fundemantally, you can't read Genesis and think that evolution is by any way, shape, or form what it is talking about. So, I disagree with your statement
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Feb. 15 Study WT - More creationism and stupidity - A response
by eric356 inwell, the wt is back on it: "today, there is a rising tide of atheistic and evolutionist propaganda dependent on flawed and baseless reasoning.
we should not let this flood of faulty thinking confuse or intimidate us.
" (pg.
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simon17
Evolution should not threaten ANYONE's faith.
Well... but it does if you are a JW. Or a fundamentalist. Or a Muslim. Or one of the many many religions that insist they know the mind of God and insists that evolution is false. It certainly threatens what the Bible says.
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Feb. 15 Study WT - More creationism and stupidity - A response
by eric356 inwell, the wt is back on it: "today, there is a rising tide of atheistic and evolutionist propaganda dependent on flawed and baseless reasoning.
we should not let this flood of faulty thinking confuse or intimidate us.
" (pg.
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simon17
Simon17,
There has been much written here that claims to disprove the Bible's worth, creation, and the existence of God. Are you now saying that nothing can be written on this same forum that can prove evolution? Interesting. Evolution cannot be proven on this forum but the non-existence of God can be?
DISPROVING something is actually a much easier thing to do than proof. Have you never taken a science course? If you found human bones right there in the same rock strata as dinosaurs, and it was shown that they dated to the same time, you would just need that one bit of confirmed evidence to blow an entire theory to shit. Go out and do a measurement of the effect of the acceleration due to gravity on an object. If its confirmed that you show something not accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2 in a vacuum here on earth, you can disprove gravity. Thats the great thing about science: theories are as stong as they are because their very existence means the evidence hasn't ever disproven them. Things just keep seeming to fit.
Having said that, I highly doubt you will find any scientific mind that will ever say they can DISPROVE that god exists. Richard Dawkins would tell you that. Christopher Hitchens would tell you that. Any athiest worth a damn will not sit and say I can prove that god doesnt exist.
You can show very compelling evidence showing errency in the Bible accounts. You can show very compelling evidence to show why the creation account is not correct. You can show very compelling evidence why the earth is not 6000 years old. You can throw those hypothesis out, scientifically.
And of course you can't PROVE anything 100% anyway. It is only something that is proven to the extent that it hasn't been disproven. Does gravity exist? Every experiment we have ever done since it was hypothesized says it does. Is it "proven"? Well, could God just be making everythin look like there was gravity and tricking us? Could we be in a Matrix-like simulation with no real physical laws? I suppose.... but it is HIGHLY unlikely. The same goes with the traditional creationist idea.
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Feb. 15 Study WT - More creationism and stupidity - A response
by eric356 inwell, the wt is back on it: "today, there is a rising tide of atheistic and evolutionist propaganda dependent on flawed and baseless reasoning.
we should not let this flood of faulty thinking confuse or intimidate us.
" (pg.
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simon17
BEXJW: So, suppose that I asked you to prove to me that the theory of plate tectonics is true. No, no links. Don't tell me to look somewhere else. Just prove it by writing something in this thread.
How ridiculous would that be? It can't be done like that. Groundbreaking science, that gives rise to a comprehensive theory like evolution (or gravity, or plate tectonics, or planetary motion) come from the analysis of incredible amounts of data from different fields of expertise. It comes from studies and experiements. It comes from predictions that are confirmed by observation. You can't just prove it like you can a mathematical identity in a few nice lines. If YOU want to give it a chance, then YOU have to go read all the reasons why it is logical, sensible, and explanatory of large sets of data from varous fields without exception.
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We don't baptize our children as infants, we let them decide - UTTER BULL****
by jambon1 ini always found that one particularly laughable.. the jw's would always look for plaudits because they don't christen/baptize infants.
as if they are free thinking pioneers of christianity who let their children come to their own conclusions.. no, they don't baptize their children.. yet,.
they would be happy to make a life & death medical choice for them before they are even old enough to think for themselves.they are happy to have their children 'fight the fine fight' on their parents behalf all the way through primary/high school.
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simon17
If you were baptized as an infant, when you grow up you KNOW that it was not your decision. Then you can easily disregard it.
If you were baptized at age 14 as a JW, then when you grow up you THINK it WAS your decision. Thats not easy to overcome, especially if the repercussions of disregarding that decision are incredibly severe.