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  Some funny/curious quotes from the 2013 Yearbook (part 1)

  by cedars in

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  i just thought i'd amuse myself by seeing what madness awaits in the new 2013 yearbook.. you might like to read some of the gems i've uncovered.... .

  "true christians are soon to cross into the promised new world, so they need to be courageous and strong.

  how soon are we talking about?

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  Happily, Jehovah does not force us to serve him. He is not a dictator.

  Ah. So that would explain the whole Armageddon thing. It's just a loving readjustment of mankind's population!

  --sd-7
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  On the Governing Body -- Then and Now

  by sd-7 in

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  january 1, 1929 watchtower:.

  "no one knew more about the church than its great teacher paul.

  it may be said that no man ever exercised so much authority in the church as he.

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  I have to add that the counterargument Apognophos is making here really highlights just how precarious a position the Governing Body is putting itself in by making the 'faithful slave' exclusive to them. They are now completely unlinked to any Biblical authority other than themselves. The first century apostles are now just dangling out there, apparently, not giving food at the proper time in the time of the end, despite all their talk about how the end of all things had drawn close and all that...The closest the GB can get is saying they are somehow similar to others that came before, but now there's no link at all to the apostles. On one hand that fits with their rejection of apostolic succession, but on the other hand, it still puts them in the position of claiming equal or greater authority than that of the apostles.

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  The history of The Devil - Extremely informative

  by cantleave in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a5myfj4irxm#!.

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  Marking...in a public talk warning people to avoid it!

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  On the Governing Body -- Then and Now

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  january 1, 1929 watchtower:.

  "no one knew more about the church than its great teacher paul.

  it may be said that no man ever exercised so much authority in the church as he.

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  Yes, but you see, Paul wasn't one of the F&DS.

  Nice try. You are correct! Paul wasn't, according to the new teaching. But he was on the 'governing body' back then, and said body is still nonetheless a precursor of the 'responsible ones at headquarters' today. So if Paul, who wrote Bible books and had visions and all that, didn't sit in council to make rules and "had no authority to do so", is there some reason why people who have none of those qualifications can do so today? If he couldn't, but the Governing Body today can, then the Governing Body is saying it has greater authority than the apostle Paul and indeed all of the apostles put together. Such authority cannot be merely stated; there has to be proof other than having a really good printing press and an advertising campaign.

  Hey, if you're arguing the JW perspective and want to admit to that point, and you kinda have to, really, then there's really no point in continuing the debate.

  --sd-7
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  'No Announcements' - Big Mistake!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we are only a few short months into the "no more announcements - let them read the notice board" at the meetings, and now the effects of that new directive are beginning to reveal themselves: no information being given out regarding someone's loss of a relative, no information about someone who is ill or been admitted to hospital, and definitely no information about families moving out of the area and going to other congregations!!.

  however, announcements about "special" christmas day field service must be made!!.

  the import of the apostle paul's words really seem to have gone over the "decision-makers'" heads - (galatians 6:10) really, then, as long as we have time favorable for it, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to [us] in the faith.. coupled with the removal of the weekly group book study, the detrimental consequences of eliminating fellow-feeling and closer contact with one another can only lead to one eventuality - alienating one another!.

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  As if it wasn't confusing enough even when they had announcements, somebody'd read it wrong and you'd be all confused and somebody else would have to come up and correct 'em...

  Well, so I would assume that doesn't include the expulsion announcements. Gee, that's got to be depressing. Then you know for sure that the only announcements are really crappy ones.

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  Who wants to take bets that this "end of the world" scenario pops up in a WT

  by wha happened? in

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  describing how the so called "pagens", got it wrong..

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  there was even a crazy JW named calendar made up.

  I used to have the correct day covered--is it Lifeday or Mansday today?

  They've already mentioned Harold Camping and the 12-21-12 date, I think somebody mentioned it on another thread. Somehow predicting the 'generation' when the end will come is more appropriate than a specific date... Yes, it's all very confusing to me as well.

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  You can get disfellowshipped for attempted suicide

  by solomon in

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  yep, you can face a judicial committee if you try to kill yourself.

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  There just aren't any words for this sort of thing. Elders are best at making people feel worse. They have no concept of human feeling, it's in their demeanor, the way they talk, the look in their eyes. It seems that the least compassionate people are best equipped for the position.

  It's that sort of stuff that makes it so hard to even try to forgive the ordinary JWs. Because nothing clicks on a basic, human level with these people. Just glad I'm out, you know? Wish I could get away from all of them, really.

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  On the Governing Body -- Then and Now

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  january 1, 1929 watchtower:.

  "no one knew more about the church than its great teacher paul.

  it may be said that no man ever exercised so much authority in the church as he.

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  I was thinking about this thread, in light of the somewhat recent change to the 'faithful slave' doctrine. It seems particularly poignant to remember that 10 years after said 'slave' was allegedly appointed, the above ^^^ January 1929 Watchtower article was written and published, basically denying the slave's authority in spectacularly 'apostate' fashion. So when they talk about 1919 or any of the early 20th century history, clearly they don't want to include certain unfortunate details such as this article.

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  Which of the 5 weekly meetings did you hate the most?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  it was always stressed that the five weekly meetings were like the fingers on your hand.

  each one was just as important as the next.

  which of the meetings were the most boring,bothersome and difficult to listen to?

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  Dub: (taps mic to mimic door knocking and it's obvious mic isn't on; audience looks back at soundman who suddenly remembers he forgot to turn the volume up on the microphone. During that same time, the dub on stage gets the bright idea that maybe he has the mic off but it was actually already on with the sound not being turned up. So that dub moves the switch to off thinking he's turning it on. He taps the mic again and then looks back. By that time the stage-man walks up to the platform, takes the mic, and turns it on.

  TS, sounds like we were in the same congregation, bro! LOL!

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  Which of the 5 weekly meetings did you hate the most?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was always stressed that the five weekly meetings were like the fingers on your hand.

  each one was just as important as the next.

  which of the meetings were the most boring,bothersome and difficult to listen to?

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  The Book Study clocks in at #1, especially before it got lumped in with the TMS/SM. Having to either rush home from work and then go back out all for a one-hour meeting or else wake up early on a Saturday morning after a long work week was really annoying. Towards the end, I usually came to the Book Study when it was mostly over.

  #2, definitely Service Meeting. Where was the use of the Bible? You were just sitting there waiting for them to mention a freaking scripture and they would mention maybe one and that was it. Nothing for the hands to do, unless I was stuck carrying the microphone at a time when I was probably tired since it's almost the middle of the week.

  #3 Public Talk. Same old outlines, over and over and over again. Same anecdotes, same lame jokes. Some people were even stupid enough to 'mark' people during a PUBLIC TALK, which made no sense at all, since it's supposed to be geared at the PUBLIC, not airing JW business to visitors. If they were paying any attention, I guess that could be a good thing if it helped them stay away...It was also a scenario where glory was given to a man if he could give a talk particularly well. It became a popularity contest--you'd "made it" as a man if you were giving public talks in the East Giblit congregation and people would come from miles around to hear you as if you were going to give something other than the same old Society-written outline.

  #4 Watchtower Study. I could be asleep or watching football--and I'm not even that big a sports fan--but instead I'm stuck here for 20+ nauseating paragraphs (always thankful for the 18-19 paragraph articles, if we were really lucky it could even be 17!). The reader can barely read, and it's just painful to sit there and listen to somebody stumble over this simple paragraph, skip lines, etc. It was also awkward when my soon-to-be-wife-who-was-DF'd-at-the-time would come and I was carrying the microphone. Felt like people were watching me. But then I always felt that way. People liked my reading skill when I would read--and the cool thing was that I could get away with any errors because people would assume I was pronouncing it correctly even if I had no idea how to read this German book name.

  And then the comments. Reading comprehension...the same person commenting every paragraph. It became more of a game as mike runner. I was in the cockpit of my X-wing deliver proton torpedoes or whatever....

  #5 Theocratic Ministry School. Mainly because the parts were mostly short (that's what she said ). There was a chance for a variety of people to give parts, and it was the one time you could legally stare at a cute sister--while she was on the platform! I mean, you can't go wrong there. I actually enjoyed giving talks, and tried to look for ways to present information from a fresh angle if I could. People dreaded them so much, but to me it was one of the best opportunities to encourage people far more than a simple 30-seconds-or-less comment could. So, it wasn't all bad, and thus makes #5 on this list.

  --sd-7