That part of the lesson was towards the end and the conductor probably viewed the clock like a sawed off, so we moved on fairly quick at that point.
There's something hilarious about this sentence. I think I know exactly what you mean.
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25Don't e-mail DF'd family members - Congregation Reaction (WT 1/15/2013)
by 00DAD indo not look for excuses to associate with a disfellowshipped family member, for example, through e-mail.
- w2013 1/15, p. 16, para.
in the congregation i attend, no one--and i mean no one--commented on the directive to not communicate with df'd family members by email.
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WHAT REASON DOES THE GOVERNING BODY HAVE TO DENY JESUS MEDIATOR-SHIP FOR EVERYONE?
by ÁrbolesdeArabia inaguest, jehovah-jirah, lars58, rick fearon, finkle, or another scholars on jwn.
what reason does the governing body have for telling.
seven million jehovah's witnesses, "jesus is not your man dude!
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if they dont even know who the fds ,how are they going to know who jesus is mediator for?
"But now that we know who you are, I know who I am. I'm not a mistake. It all makes sense!"
Couldn't resist that one. Ha!
But see, the Governing Body has like 3 different covenants ("covenant for a kingdom", "new covenant", and I forget the third one), they're like totally confused to begin with. The only sense, as Splash's quotes show, Jesus is Mediator for everyone is that everyone can approach God in prayer through Jesus. But clearly that is the only sense in which non-anointed JWs can consider Jesus as a Mediator of sorts.
But NOT in the sense of being in the new covenant. Being "beneficiaries", which in its most literal sense would mean...they don't get any benefits until all the anointed die, just like a beneficiary named to someone's bank account. But it's not your account, and the account holder could always have you removed as a beneficiary. So it is with the 'great crowd'. If they don't obey the anointed, they therefore get their name pulled off the list by the anointed and lose any benefits that would come from the new covenant, as the benefits trickle down via the anointed.
Remember, the Society has explicity stated that the anointed will help Jesus apply the value of the ransom to the sins of mankind. So then, that makes them co-mediators, somehow able to do with Jesus' blood what Jesus apparently cannot do (and hasn't already done once for all time, despite what Hebrews 9 says), which is forgive sins permanently.
They had to build on the 2-class system somehow, so I guess by playing their usual game of Scriptural Scrabble, they built their beliefs around what they wanted to teach and then picked isolated verses to support those beliefs.
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For the born-in/raised in, you ever get resentful upon seeing kids involved with organized sports?
by Theocratic Sedition inthis past saturday, i was watching the georgetown/syracuse game, and a nike commercial was played during one of the breaks.
i couldn't locate the exact commercial, but below is a variation of it that has scenes from the same one that aired on saturday.
man did i feel some heavy resentment towards the wt during and especially after the commercial aired.
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No. I was never the athletic type. My brother, though--he and my mom really butted heads on this issue. He ended up playing intramural basketball and coaching it, though, which I guess he either did without her knowledge or as a compromise of some kind (you know, so he wouldn't be spending time after school with those heroin-snorting, gun-toting hoodlums on the team).
But why would you want to do that? Remember that Young People Ask drama? You'll only injure yourself in an impromptu race with a worldly kid, and then get offered some pain-killers by a corrupt high school coach! Why do that, when you can keep a JW's Holocaust bowl and spoon as a memoir of what you really need in life? Your priorities are out of whack, man. You need to find 'the real life'!
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WTS vs. Star Trek
by Farkel instar trek claimed to be fantasy and in fact, was fantasy.. wts claims to be the sole truth on earth and in fact, is fantasy.. star trek had spock who solved problems with logic.. wts has a gb who solves problems with bullshit.. star trek had a pompous ass charismatic leader whom everyone loved to watch rant and emote.
wts had three pompous ass charismatic leaders whom everyone hated to watch rant and emote.. captain kirk was always saving his people from new disasters.. wt leaders are always leading its people into new disasters.. star trek made money by always giving its fans the stuff they wanted.. wts makes money by always charging its fans for stuff neither they nor anyone else else wants.. people had fun when star trek came on.. people would rather have a root canal when meetings come on.. star trek was all about making the cosmos a better place for all.. wts is all about making the cosmos a better place for a few and killing everyone else.. people love to go to star trek conventions.. people would rather be in an earthquake than go to wts conventions.. star trek had a transporter room.. people in meetings wish they also had a transporter room.. star trek had lots of insane villains.. wts had judge rutherford and fred franz.
same thing.. star trek also had lots of good guys.. good guys are banished from the wts.. star trek had the klingons who spoke a bizarre language.. wts had fred franz who spoke an even more bizarre language.. star trek had all sorts of devices which could cure most any medical problems, but of course, they were science fiction.. wts had the electronic radio biola which it sold and said could cure most any medical problem, but of course, that was science fiction.. star trek had floppy disks, computers you could talk to and flat screen monitors all of which were about 50 years ahead-of-their time.. wts had vaccines which were called "filthy animal pus", humans hearts which were the seat of all emotions, organ transplants which were cannibalistic, human personalities which were also transferred with blood transfusions and black people turning white by reading their literature, all of which were 100 years behihd-their-time.. if you missed a few star trek episodes in a row, no one came by to harrass you.. if you miss a few meetings in a row, you are in deep shit.. star trek tv shows and movies are still played all the time, even after 47 years.. wts dramas never even play a second time.
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Star Trek has a counselor who can feel what you're feeling and offer pretty decent advice.
WTS has elders who could care less what you're feeling and offer crappy, emotionally abusive advice.
Star Trek had Klingon trials where you could hire somebody to represent your case, even in combat if necessary.
WTS has trials where no one can represent you and you're outnumbered three-to-one.
Star Trek had the Kobayashi Maru test, which was impossible to pass. (Unless you figure out that you're supposed to retreat, like Troi did, or cheat, like Kirk did.)
WTS has tests that cheat--the acceptable course of action can change each time you take the same test.
Star Trek has the Borg, where absolute unity of mind was vital and resistance to it was futile.
WTS has itself, where absolute unity of mind is vital and resistance to it is futile.
Star Trek has time travel.
WTS rewrites history by printing press instead.
Star Trek has weird energy clouds that like to screw with people for fun.
WTS has a God/Governing Body that likes to screw with people and is serious about it.
Star Trek has Spock, who has another name you can't pronounce.
WTS has Jehovah, whose name isn't being pronounced correctly.
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What is the best way to celebrate ?
by Phizzy inwhat is the best way for an inactive/ fader like me to celebrate the anniversary of my walking away from all things jw ?.
as my last meeting was the memorial several years ago, it always falls around this time of year.. my first instinct is,........ wait for it............. you've guessed it............... lots of beer !.
but what i was looking for was something that would send a message to jw's, especially family that are in, without them having a way to dismiss it as me being provocative or whatever.. any ideas ????
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order a kebab from the local takeaway. Give the delivery geezer a tip.
There's something funny about this line. I've got this mental image of an old man with strong arms handing you the bag.
I don't know. I'd say, do something fun that maybe isn't something you would've done as a JW. For me, it's reading a book that would be forbidden for a JW to read, or watching a movie that would be forbidden. As long as you're enjoying it, and not doing anything self-destructive, then yeah, do that.
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A recent discussion that had me stumped!
by Terry inokay--first off, i wasn't involved in the following conversation; i was eavesdropping!.
you know how it is when you happen to be in a public place.
you are minding your own business until you're not minding your own business.
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Definitely a case of apples and oranges there. Actions between two consenting adults do not equal child molestation or pyromania. That dad's kung fu was weak.
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Porneia in marriage - a changing view:
by Splash in1974 - can divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
1978 - can still divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
1983 - cannot divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
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Ah, I believe that's Matthew JustShutUp:AndObey
Hilarious. Maybe if The Rock were on the Governing Body, we'd get more statements like this from the platform. "So, brother, why don't you turn to this verse with me," [licks his finger and flips pages in Bible] "...It's found in Matthew chapter KNOW YOUR ROLE, and verse number SHUT YOUR MOUTH! Eh-eh! Did you read it? Thought so!"
So truly, nothing is sacred. If you have the wrong kind of sex with your mate, even that's considered grounds for divorce. That's actually worse than the IVF = fornication thing of more modern times. Of course, the other problem is, are they saying that the 'debauching sex' was had without one mate's consent? If so, wouldn't that be a matter of rape? If so, does that mean the wife had to scream or else she can be charged with 'fornication' as well?? Just gets more and more bizarre...
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Jacked up Religion!!! God's word for us through Jeremiah!!!
by DATA-DOG ini slept horribly last night because of stress.
it's been a while since i had insomnia, but the meetings are slowly causing that disorder to make a comeback.
the " bible " study was one of the most messed up things that i have heard in a long time.
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Elder's wife: Unlike Churches who excommunicate members, Df'ing is a loving arrangement!
So has she actually experienced this "loving arrangement" herself? The whole point of it is the withdrawal of love from the DF'd person, not the showing of love towards them. No, no, it's because I love you that I won't even say hello to you on the street anymore!
Elder: Jehovah does not get emotionally involved, and is not sentimental when it comes to someone repenting.
Perhaps he meant to say Jehovahthe elders do not get emotionally involved, and are not sentimental when it comes to someone repenting. Never seen eyes so dry as elders' eyes in a judicial committee. So...Greatest Dad in Universe doesn't get emotionally involved when it comes to his kids' turning around and doing the right thing. [Nods] Makes sense. Just don't expect any God-sized mugs on Father's Day, you a--hole! Oh, wait, why would he get involved? We're not God's children at all, remember? We're the little bastards who have to obey his real children for the next millennium or so, and then if we're lucky, he'll adopt us.
Elder: The Elders do not want to speak with us repeatedly, so just repent the first time.
So you only want to speak to me once? What a loving, self-sacrificing attitude that is! Talk about imitating Jesus, do you want a f***ing medal?!
We can see when someone is heading down a wrong path. So you should listen when the Elders speak
Yeah, it usually starts with dropping for 10 hours a month in field service to 5 hours a month. Were it not for that, you wouldn't see sh** if it was flyin' at you. 'Cause you sure don't want to talk to us more than once, so it's not like you can actually get to know anything meaningful about us.
These guys are rich, they really are.
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Lot's Wife Dot-to-Dot for Kids IS child abuse. Active parents - please read.
by likeabird ini'm posting this in the public section as i would like any active witness with children to think about this carefully.. .
for those of you who haven't seen it yet, this is the picture in question :.
(source : http://www.jw.org/assets/m/ijw13fr/502013170/ijw13fr_id-502013170_e/502013170_e_cnt_1.pdf ).
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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses
by Change Name ini have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.
here is the latest question:.
jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.
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Why do opposers and apostates to Jehovah's Witnesses like to twist their teaching in regards to lying and claim that Jehovah's Witnesses lie through their teeth because they are allowed to because of something called "theocratic warfare"? The teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses are plain with the links above.
A key to understanding this issue is that Jehovah's Witnesses in general are not consciously lying about anything. They consider it as wrong to lie, it's that simple. But they generally repeat what they are told, and don't put two and two together to fully grasp that statement A cannot be true if statement B is true, yet both statements are being made as part of 'the truth'. Because the idea is to forget statement A while making statement B, while forgetting statement B while making statement A. This is the only way to reconcile certain key points or details being omitted in literature geared towards the public with opposite statements being made in literature geared towards JWs.
So I think the real issue here is, is anyone inside the organization aware of certain contradictions or that certain things are not really honest that are put in the literature? Yes and no. Depends on the moment. The Society says what needs to be said to potential recruits to get them interested or to dispel certain criticisms without going into too much detail about what such criticisms involve. Sometimes that does involve withholding information that is or would be vitally important to the subject matter at hand. More often, they are guilty of lying by omission than anything else. This is especially the case in situations where either the Bible itself or outside sources are quoted out of context to make a point. If you knowingly misrepresent the position of another by omitting critical details relevant to the subject, you are lying.
Not all of the lying is conscious or intentional, but there are specific cases when the phrasing used in the literature is crafted as if by a lawyer seeking a loophole to the position he takes. In those cases, I would say that intentional deception is kind of inevitable. Phrases like "it would be convenient if", "evidently, then, it is reasonable to conclude that", and so on--rather than stating it in precise, certain terms, the conclusion is stated as merely a reasonable one to draw, when of course, based on the long history of doctrinal change, any number of conclusions "would be reasonable to conclude" or "convenient". These things are telltale signs of an entity that knows it may have to abandon a particular teaching, and basically sets up its words a lot like an office that looks like it could be cleaned out overnight if anyone discovered it was a fake.
But in the end, most JWs are unaware of this. So they are not guilty of conscious, deliberate lying, but rather, the unconscious spread of things that, unknown to them, are either untrue or impossible to reconcile with other beliefs or historical events. This can be the case with any entity, but there are people at the top who do know, who do understand enough that this dishonest behavior/attitude could be stopped, and they simply choose to keep it as it is. It's a beast with many independently swinging tentacles. If one of them wraps around your neck, generally it doesn't matter whether it was the beast's idea or not, you still get strangled.
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