Perhaps not so strange. Perhaps they don't want that in print, and I suppose they have given a sort of disassociation clause, I thought. I forget. Never did finish my research on the WT medical issues.
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by JeffT ini noticed this on slimboy's list of things that can get you df'd, and i checked it against the "flock" book.. .
there is no mention of blood transfusions!
i know they are downplaying this, but have they stopped df'ing people for it altogether?
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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..
by confusedteenager innot sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.
they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.
of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .
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I'll just skip the stuff people have already commented on--cedars did a pretty awesome job in his analysis and there are some other good comments on the fact that the 'slave' can't even figure out what year Jesus did his inspection. 1918? 1919? 1914? I don't know. Hey, slave! Maybe the guys who were on hand, to see this invisible inspection? Yeah, can you call 'em? Well, maybe they should've WROTE DOWN what year Jesus did his inspection. That would have helped you out a lot! Heck, maybe Jesus should've written it down himself! Oh, he did, but he used invisible ink. Day-um. Well, that's a problem. You guys keep at it, then, you'll get it sometime, just keep guessing.
Page 12, par. 11: "By 1919, it became evident that Babylon the Great had fallen."
How, exactly? Your so-called wheat just barely got out of jail from where Babylon the Great arranged to have them placed! Seems like they were doing pretty well, if they could do that to Jesus' wheat! You know, the same wheat that had to remove pages from their 'Finished Mystery' that would've qualified them as weeds by their own rules, and kept all the pages that retained false doctrines? And then predicted 1925 as the resurrection date? 'Tis you who have fallen, brother, right off the wagon if you're believin' that!
Still in par. 11: "What especially set true Christians apart from imitation ones? The preaching work."
Oh, so it wasn't love, then? Having love among themselves? Oh, let me tear John 13:35 out of my Bible--rip! rip!--then, 'cause that clearly doesn't matter at all. It was the preaching work. No scriptures next to that statement, but it was the preaching work. Says so right here in Watchtower, July 15th, 2013, Chapter 2, and Verse 11.
Page 13, paragraph 13: "Speaking about the condition of the weed class, Jesus states: 'There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.' (Matt. 13:42) Is that happening right now? No."
Wait! I thought you said that
"By 1919, it became evident that Babylon the Great had fallen."
So did it fall, or didn't it? 'Cause you said it did, and now you're saying it didn't, that that hasn't happened yet. Logically there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth when that happens, right? So apparently Babylon the Great has two falls, for some reason. One of these falls is not like the other, one of these falls is different. Because one of these falls did not actually happen, and the other of these falls hasn't happened either. Oh, wait....well that's...so Babylon hasn't fallen? At all? Nothing? So you're saying it's fallen once and will fall again, but then you're saying it hasn't fallen yet, but will fall.
Got it.
So basically, this article says the reasons JWs were the wheat class that Jesus inspected and ok'd are: (1) they preached against hellfire, for the ransom, taught about 1914, (2) got rid of the majority of the Governing Body who didn't want one man to give all the orders, which would totally destroy the whole point of having a Governing Body, (3) they went from door to door to preach. So...is there anything in the Bible that suggests that these are qualifications Jesus Christ would be looking for when he sends out his angels to gather the wheat?
Page 14, par. 19: "Knowing who the wheatlike Christians are is essential to finding the answer to a question raised by Jesus in his extensive prophecy about the last days."
So wait, let's pause there. "Knowing who the wheatlike Christians are"? So even though the angels are the ones who do the harvesting, you're saying that we already know who the wheatlike Christians are? So you've already made the decision for the angels. Go home, angels. You're not needed. We're Watchtower. We got this. We're the wheat. Look at the box, guys, 100% Whole Wheat.
Also, remember how the 'faithful slave' was an illustration? Now it's a "prophecy" again.
"He asked: 'Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?' (Matt. 24:45) The following two articles will provide a satisfying answer to that question."
So far, can we say we've been satisfied by any of the articles? By now, the question marks are spinning around our heads quite strongly and it seems that every detail just makes it that much more confusing. And gives the 'slave' that much more of an appearance of being either enlightened, truly enlightened, or being just a bit out there, in the Pleiades star cluster or wherever.
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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..
by confusedteenager innot sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.
they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.
of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .
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LOL! Thank you very much for your commentary, you honestly could have kept going.
[Puts on Roger Moore smirk] "I intend to, Kamal Khan."
I just had other matters to deal with, and had to finish watching 'Star Trek' (2009) since I'm in my sequels preparation mode, and it's also like, nearly midnight now, but I do want to look into this one further. Let's see here:
Page 9: "During harvest season, the weeds are destroyed and the wheat is gathered. Jesus himself explained the illustration."
Hmm. Then why aren't we just reading the Bible verses? Why is there an entire Watchtower article explaining it further, if Jesus himself already explained it?
Page 10: "By the fourth century, weedlike Christians had greatly outnumbered anointed Christians."
So how does one go about proving that? Because the Catholic Church was born then, maybe? Or because the doctrine by then is different from JW doctrine? Boy, this'll make for some awkward conversations when you guys get to heaven and meet some Christians who were around in the fourth century....
Page 10, par. 4: "This command reveals that from the first century until today, there have always been some anointed wheatlike Christians on earth."
Sort of like an unbroken chain of a faithful slave class, just without the faithful slave part, I guess. Also, if we take 144,000 and divide by roughly 2,000, what's that? 72 new anointed Christians per year on average. But wait, we'd have to subtract at least 5,000 or way, WAY more than 5,000 from the first century part and then there's the previous generation of anointed which was like, wow, that math really becomes, uh, troublesome. Continuing on, still on page 4:
"However, some decades before the start of the harvest season, the wheat class became discernible."
Kind of circular reasoning: since our religion started around that time, it was obvious that we were totally the wheat class showing up. Wait, it doesn't say that yet...page 11:
"What is the larger fulfillment of Malachi's prophecy?"
Whoa, wait, guys. How do you know there was a larger fulfillment to Malachi's prophecy? How do you prove that? Are you just taking Malachi's prophecy and claiming it has a larger fulfillment? Naw, that'd be wrong.
"During the decades leading up to 1914, C.T. Russell and his close associates did a work like that of John the Baptizer. That vital work involved restoring Bible truths. The Bible Students taught the true meaning of Christ's ransom sacrifice, exposed the hellfire lie, and proclaimed the coming end of the Gentile Times."
So wait, didn't he learn all that from Adventists, who were teaching all that stuff back when he was still selling hats for a living? How can it be argued that C.T. Russell and his associates restored Bible truths that other religious groups had already been teaching for decades before he showed up? Also, the 1914 belief is not a "restored Bible truth", since nobody in the first century was teaching it, that's for sure. This also greatly obscures the history of that era, PYRAMIIIIIIDSSS.... This is also the same "John the Baptizer" work that led to the mistaken notion of the great tribulation starting in 1914. So, the guy whose mess you've spent decades cleaning up after was preparing the way how, exactly?
Ah, that's enough for one post.
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No more big District Conventions?
by serenitynow! inso i went to the hall today for a funeral and took a look at the bulletin board.
i was surprised to see a letter stating the dc for michigan would be held at the local assembly hall instead of the big convention center in ohio where it had been held the past few years.
have you all heard about this?.
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Of course, with all that said, I'd be all for Assembly Halls, 'cause it would be a heck of a lot easier on me rather than having to drive for 2-5 hours to a convention city and deal with the additional costs associated with that. Being able to return home after the day's session, assuming I attended (which I will this year), would be a great respite from the dark powers of a 3-day convention.
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No more big District Conventions?
by serenitynow! inso i went to the hall today for a funeral and took a look at the bulletin board.
i was surprised to see a letter stating the dc for michigan would be held at the local assembly hall instead of the big convention center in ohio where it had been held the past few years.
have you all heard about this?.
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All I can say is, don't believe everything you read on a bulletin board while going to a funeral.
In my area, they're still having the convention at a larger venue. So perhaps they will still do so for many unless they see some specific reason to do otherwise. The cash JWs bring into the areas with larger venues is probably a big reason for the bigger stadiums and the like to offer them a good deal. I don't know about you, but I'd try hard to make sure 6,000+ people kept coming back to fuel my city's economy every summer.
Assembly halls would be a good choice, but the stadiums and all that bring with it the potential for press, and therefore, a bit of free advertising. Thus, the potential for more recruits just reading it in the papers or finding out about when JWs go to their hotels, restaurants, and the like. There are a number of good reasons to do it that way, reasons that could--could--be worth the cost.
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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..
by confusedteenager innot sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.
they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.
of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .
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Well, I'll stop now. I've got other stuff to do. Just wanted to share my thoughts...
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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..
by confusedteenager innot sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.
they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.
of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .
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That was the first article. Say what you will, but at least it was explained, in the WT sense, in a coherent, orderly manner, of a sort. Most people will be knocked the f*** out during this article and the old pioneers or know-it-alls will carry the commenting. But this is like some seriously interesting stuff. It's some pretty strong admissions of a number of wrong teachings all in one article. This is like the Fix-It Felix of Watchtower articles, man. Impressive.
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July 15th, 2013 Watchtower is available NOW on jw.org
by sd-7 inrather surprised--this is quite early.
usually it's not out until the 15th of the month.
one thing i noticed, which all the hubbub about all the other articles seems to have overshadowed, was on page 26, a brief article about mark sanderson, the newest member of the governing body.. sounds like he was on the career path of a company man.
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http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/250277/2/July-15th-Study-Edition-Is-Up
Yeah. Just go to the above link for discussion of that issue.
Ninja Scroll is great, isn't it? What's Ninja Scroll? I know how to make my t-shirt into a Do-It-Yourself Ninja mask, but nothing about Ninja Scroll.
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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..
by confusedteenager innot sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.
they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.
of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .
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Sorry, I'm totally monopolizing this thread, aren't I?
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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..
by confusedteenager innot sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.
they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.
of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .
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Wait a minute! Page 8, paragraph 19: "How does this adjusted view further affect our understanding of the illustration of the faithful slave? Also, how does it affect our understanding of other parables, or illustrations, of Jesus that are being fulfilled during this time of the end?"
So they admit that the 'faithful slave' is an "illustration"! But somehow it has still become a literal prophecy referring to them. Cognitive dissonance, indeed.
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