Posts by sd-7

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Why does god kill children?

by Comatose in

i was thinking about all the accounts in the bible that indicate god kills children as a punishment or teaching experience.

1. kills all of egypts firstborn sons, who were innocent kids who did nothing to him or his people, who had no control over the decisions pharoah made.

how many times have you read that account or thought about it without realizing the devastating pain dealt to all those parents, and remembered those were innocent kids?.

sd-7

David sins with Bathsheeba, god kills the baby as punishment. In fact, the bible he struck it a blow and that it suffered for a week prior to dying. WT says this was a loving thing to do since David was worthy of death, lovingly god spared him. Screw the child though.

WT even went so far as to say that David and Bathsheba no special right to the child, and because of sin, the child had no special right to life, either, and thus God could justly kill the child...talk about sick...since that reasoning could be used to kill practically anyone.

Why does he do it? He's got some anger issues, I would guess. If you look at it, he does an awful lot of murder, genocide, more murder, more genocide, mass near-extinction-level event, more murder, then a soon-to-come unequaled mass murder that will make Hitler look like Mother Theresa.

Maybe he's just looking forward to a number of Awkward Resurrection Moments. Hey David! Here's Uriah! Better make sure he doesn't read 2 Samuel...this time without arranging his death, will ya? I'm assuming Lot sobered up enough to figure out what his daughters did to him, but that's still going to be awkward...[Lot reading Genesis] "Oh, man, you mean, like, EVERYBODY knows about this?"

--sd-7

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Are Jehovahs Witnesses raised to be Anti-American?

by Joliette in

jw
friends

was thinking about this yesterday on the 4th?

due to the practices, no voting, shunning activities, not getting involved with the community, school, etc, etc.

what do you guys think?

sd-7

When I told my parents I vote on a regular basis, they laughed at me, (seriously). Jehovahs Witnesses are the last people that need to be laughing at anymore. In a nutshell, do you guys think that being so anti american is harmful.

I think the perspective on that can be very subjective. When I was in, I didn't think of it as being anti-American so much as being anti-politics-and-war. I still had my political viewpoints, though I of course couldn't and wouldn't vote. I'm sure a lot of JWs, while they subscribe to the party line of looking forward to the Kingdom to solve everything, do at least lean one way or another despite being neutral in terms of their actions. On the other hand, those who subscribe 100% to the JW worldview, would indeed be rather rigid in their viewpoint and anti-whatever-government-there-is. I've learned how difficult it is to have this sort of conversation with such a JW, in my years of being married...I say that in the nicest way possible, of course...

But even so, I didn't particularly look forward to a world ruled by the Governing Body, either...it seemed like kind of a dictatorship that appeared to be benevolent but was clearly too mysterious for me to be entirely comfortable with. Not to mention a number of logistical issues that would come up there...

--sd-7

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What piece of WT literature is worth holding onto, or have you kept? Why?

by losingit in

i have basically thrown away all of my bound volumes and loose wt and awake magazines.

i kept some bpoks, the insight to the scriptures, god's love, the reasoning book, and daniel's prophecies (this was my favorite) .

i held onto insight to the scriptures after reading some of ray franz's book, crisis of conscience.

sd-7

I've kept everything I took with me when I moved out of my parents' place nearly 4 years ago. I'm not really sure why. I don't read them anymore, except occasionally for reference purposes. Some of my old books are even on my wife's 'theocratic bookshelf' if you will.

The fact is, as long as I'm still married (probably until death, I suppose), I'm still tethered to the JWs. There will likely be more situations in which I may actually bring their literature with me (like when I attend a random meeting because the Mrs. needs someone to watch the kids while she gives a talk). But that's not really a valid statement, either, as I would probably just bring my NIV Bible with me and no literature, since it's so much easier to see how nonsensical it is using the Bible alone. Seriously, try it--with a Bible alone at a meeting, it's amazing how much you realize is just in the literature and not at all in the Bible. (No, don't try it, why would you do that? That's crazy.)

I think I haven't moved on fully. It was a part of most of my life. I can leave, but throw away souvenirs from 20+ years of my life? Even as horrible as it still feels inside, to have been fooled, it's a part of my history. Maybe if I'm ever truly free of it all, maybe then, a glorious bonfire, like a Darth Vader funeral pyre or something...but until then...

--sd-7

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Yet Another secretly recorded Judicial Meeting for you...

by RayPublisher in

yet another secretly recorded judicial committee hearing...the hero of this story is rachel... this brave and funny kiwi lady stands up to the local elders and goes through this scary situation with grace and logic and so much class!.

bravo to her husband who comes along to support her and her goal is to awaken and perhaps reach the hearts of these men that are poised to spiritually execute her.

this goes right against the false label applied to so-called apostates by the wt society that they are insincere, slanderous people out to hurt the faith of others.. listen to the story unfold as rachel boldly shares her research and her conscience with these men.

sd-7

I shouldn't torture myself by listening to this sort of thing, it triggers what must be PTSD in me. And yet I can't seem to resist. If only I had two hours to blow on this sort of thing, I would. Maybe I'll check it out in more detail another time...thanks for posting it. People do need to hear exactly what goes on in these judicial hearings, because it is unreal. They can get away with saying all kinds of stuff behind closed doors.

--sd-7

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Friend gets "scriptural divorce" over wifes transgressions before they got married...

by sosoconfused in

so i have a friend in a congregation in new jersey who recently called me to tell me that he got a divorce.

nothing surprising there at first but it is the fact of when it happened.

his wife began pioneering april 1, and after about three weeks she came to him and told him that about 4 years she had engaged in loose conduct (fondling the penis and the guy kissing her breasts) during a time that she was inactive.

sd-7

That's not a valid ground for "scriptural divorce" by any stretch of the most insane imagination. There is no way this is valid by JW standards, absolutely NO WAY. Those elders have gone native, and way, WAY off the reservation. I can only think they must've really hated her for some other reason.

--sd-7

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Forum cleanup and archive

by Simon in

i mentioned i was cleaning the forum archive when i bumped this thread by oompa:.

damm i miss jwd...this place will always be jwd to me.... rather than turn that into a discussion of the archive, i'll answer slimboyfat's concern here.. the things i'm clearing up are either:.

time specific and non jw related (e.g.

sd-7

Guess I better make sure I save the Beast-Tower Library Index, then! There's a lot of fine instruction I'd hate to lose forever!

--sd-7

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Apostate: From 279 Facebook friends to 81 overnight... thanks MOM!

by sosoconfused in

the drama continues, i log on to facebook this morning and notice that i have about 20 some odd personal messages from people calling me an apostate to they will return to me when i return to jehovah.. all of this based upon my brother informing others that i have "apostate thoughts".

my mother also encourage long-time famil friends to "unfriend" me because i have taken my stand on the side of satan... wow.

don't you just love this international brotherhood.

sd-7

If it wasn't clear before, it's clear now--it's the one thing I understood BEFORE I decided to start researching the JWs. I told myself, "This is a one-way trip. If it turns out it's all a lie, no one will ever believe you. You will lose everyone you have ever known. Are you prepared to do that?" Once I learned all that I could, I realized that I simply didn't want friends who were willing to obey this sort of teaching without question. I shut myself down and distanced myself from everyone... ...Almost everyone. And the one person I cared about most was my greatest downfall in the end. I learned to turn off those feelings as much as possible from then on.

There is no limit to how far they will go to turn against you once they know you've got major doubts. As has been said, you may as well take the initiative to cut them all off yourself, delete all of their messages, unfriend them, etc., and be done with them. Because they are done with you. It's a matter of sanity, in my opinion, to be able to do this. (Then again, the guy who married into the cult knowingly probably ain't in any position to be giving you advice. See to your own house, sd-7!)

It's war, from the second they found out about you, and there are no rules in war, only people getting hurt. Tear every feeling for them out of your heart, or it will make you vulnerable. They can use their bond with you as emotional blackmail in the long term, and that would be torture. Don't give them a chance to do that.

--sd-7

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My mother continues with these creepy letters

by sosoconfused in

as i continue to post these letters just to let people see what they can expect through a fade, i hope they are not annoying anyone.. if so please let me know and i will no longer post them.

however i think these letters help you to see how cultish and crazy this religion causes people to become:.

evening <name removed>,.

sd-7

This reminds me of my mom wanting to get rid of some video games and giving them to me. She then changed her mind and left me a note saying that the games were "evil" and would "lead you further away from Jehovah". The note was shorter than this letter, but equally as creepy. Especially since we had all been playing those games for decades up until now.

Of course, for me it really was kind of annoying because she was worried I'd be 'tempted' to play the games rather than getting rid of them. If it weren't for my wife I would never have any dealings with my mom again in life. But it's the sort of thing that doesn't exactly inspire me to 'repent'. Knowing I won't be able to play Zelda at home without having a fight with the Mrs. over it is the last thing I need.

Anyway, yeah, you have to shut down. Since this sort of personal attack is going on, you really do have to just cut her off. Emotionally at least, and the rest is easy from there.

--sd-7

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A new lesson from Caleb's mom...

by cedars in

...totally freak out and drop something if your child fails to say "please.".

http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/please-thank-you/.

the woman is clearly a nervous wreck, and very easily offended.. if this is her reaction to caleb forgetting his manners, i shudder to think how she will cope if she ever finds him doing drugs.. .

sd-7

While the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the anger of Jehovah was kindled against the people, and Jehovah smote the people with a very great plague.

"You see, Caleb? Jehovah got very, very sad with the Israelites. And he murdered them. Thousands of them. Over quail." [crazy eyes [O] [O]] "So what do you think he will do to you over the BEST SANDWICH EVER???!!"

"Please, Mom--don't hurt me! I'll do anything!"

"I don't want you to do anything, Caleb. I want you to obey..."

--sd-7

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A new lesson from Caleb's mom...

by cedars in

...totally freak out and drop something if your child fails to say "please.".

http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/please-thank-you/.

the woman is clearly a nervous wreck, and very easily offended.. if this is her reaction to caleb forgetting his manners, i shudder to think how she will cope if she ever finds him doing drugs.. .

sd-7

Hmm. I do have issues getting my daughter to show good manners, and after awhile it does become irritating when a child speaks to you in a way that is, frankly, rude. But there's no context to Caleb's mother's reaction, which in itself strongly suggests that she was really angry about something else or stressed from other events. Because a generally calm person would not react that way on a child's showing poor manners alone. But from the other videos, it seems like she's got some real emotional problems herself and may need therapy and/or medication. I don't say that to insult her--as she's not even a real person TO insult--just from observation.

But it's kind of weird that the voice of the dad is narrating when presumably he should actually, you know, be there in the scene instead. Elders' meeting? Elders' meeting.

But the part where he says "Even Jehovah says please" would have been a great time to include an actual scriptural example of that. Genesis 13:14 is an example: "And Jehovah said to Abram after Lot had separated from him: "Raise your eyes, please, and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward". See? There's a please in there.

"At district conventions, attendants hold up signs that say "Please Be Seated". Are we not thankful that such kindness is shown even to disobedient ones who have failed to return to their seats promptly for the convention program?" [Applause]

--sd-7